Gibson's The Passion of The Pope

No need to ask why the Gibson is forgiven for filming the death of a money collector like the pope in the name of a Jew who was nailed to the cross by the romans. But how is it possible that one day Mel Gibson is sobbing in the church on his knees pleading with God to be given the power from above to make "the passion of the christ"; and a year or so later tell a student to F*** off when asked a question stating that he is 400 mill richer. I guess this is how the operation goes. A dead man oh good let's see how we can exploit that".
The basis of religion is to forgive; but you cannot forgive before you commit a sin. So you have to be a son of a B in order for you to be forgiven. Oh do not forget to drop a few coins before you leave. It is for the church. Actually for those who run the church to make sure your plea for forgiveness has been heard by God. On the other hand it is a guarantee that it will be heard because God is gonna receive (a phone call) I mean a prayer and a plea so you may be forgiven.
Birds of a feather.

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Nice broad brush there. Most Catholics I know (myself included) consider Gibson's brand of Catholicism crazy-christian loony type stuff.

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Between J.Low draining the blood from the fur industry and Mel Givemesome draining the pockets of the catholics (sinners who think they can get away with their intended wrong doings by buying their way to salvation with money and contious visits to a building where they compare and compete with each other 'the cheych') the house is full.
These are the beautiful people. You have to be beautiful to be allowed in heaven and you have to have a lot of money also. The richer and more beautiful you are the more god (the catholic one of course) will listen to you and forgive your sins. Well you have to pay to be forgiven.
And so the world continues to evolve spiraling down into an abyss of spiritual fall.
Why not? We have models who walk around with angels wings on their backs (Victoria's Secret). I bet the angels are furious for being protrait in such a superficial matter.
If it is money taken from the catholics I wish Mel Givemesome all the luck in the world. I hope he would drain their pockets from every penny they have. Maybe then they would wake up and smell the real spiritual world.

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It is a very good idea to make a film on the life of the late Pope John Paul II. But, in his eventual film "The Passion of The Pope" Mel Gibson may consider some strange informations contained in a recent News relase.

URL:
http://www.chez.com/cosmos2000/Forums/NEWS_MemoryPopeJohnPaul_II.html

So, it is important to underline that mysteriously the life and the death of John Paul II are both strongly marked by the number 13! …

First, the date of its death corresponds exactly to the numerical code 13:
Death on April 2nd, 2005 or 04/02/2005 ⇒ 4 + 2 + 2 + 5 = 13

Even the precise hour of its death wears the mark 13:
Death arisen at 9:37 pm or , 21h 37 , the Vatican time ⇒ 2 + 1 + 3 + 7 = 13

* Karol J? Wojtyla (Pope John Paul II) was born on May 18, 1920 :
05/18/1920 ⇒ 5 + 1 + 8 + 1 + 9 + 2 = 26 = 13 x 2
* His mother died on April 13th, 1929 .
* October 13, 1946 Karol Wojtyla became Sub-diaconate
* On January 13, 1964, he was nominated Archbishop of Cracow by Pope Paul VI, who made him a cardinal June 26 [13 x 2], 1967 .
* Elected Pope on October 16, 1978 , at the age of 58 years ⇒ 5 + 8 = 13
* John Paul II was first non-Roman Pope since 455 years ⇒ 455 = 35 x 13
* The attempt against the Pope Jean-Paul II took place on May 13th, 1981 , at the place Saint Pierre.
* The young turk Mehmet Al?gca who made an attempt on the Pope's life has 13 letters in his full name.
* His pontificate lasted 26 years, that is 13 x 2.
* He leaves behind him 117 cardinals-voters who will have to choose his successor by two-thirds majority; 117 = 9 x 13
* On April 4th, 2005, was held the very first meeting of the cardinals after the death of the Pope; the number of cardinals present in this important session was 65, that is 5 x 13.
* Cardinals have fixed to April 18 the starting date of the Conclave for election of the new pope; April 18 or 04/18 ⇒ 4 + 1 + 8 = 13

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For more information, see the following URL:
TITLE: Pope John Paul II - MARK 13
URL: http://www.chez.com/cosmos2000/Forums/NEWS_MemoryPopeJohnPaul_II.html

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All you bunch of haters. Jealous because Jesus Christ founded the Catholic church. You guys are liars! Every single person on earth is a sinner. Not only the catholics but everyone. This mean you! Pope John was a great man. He done many good things. He wanted peace among the Jews, Muslims and Chritians! How dare you insult him! I bet your leaders or religous leaders wouldn't even dare done something for peace!

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To poster truthseeker.
As you might remember Gibson has tried to get his film financed by other companies. They were all scared and sent him away. He made the movie The Passion of The Christ of his own money, a big risk, but he took it anyway because he wanted the story, as he believes it, to be told. So, yeah he made a few dollars and he doesn't need to say 'sorry' for that. Would you?
Try to forgive a little bit yourself.
Cheers.

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Hi all,

What makes any of you believe that Mel Gibson has sent a film crew to the Vatican or is actually doing a movie on the life of John Paul 2.

Seems like a lot of speculation to me. And so what if it is true?

As for people having any sour grapes about what he earns.... do you honestly, in your wildest crazy dreams, think that he needs cash?

I read an article a few weeks back where a lady from just one charity suggested he had donated over $50,000,000 to that charity alone over the years.

What if he gave that much to two charities.... or 10.

I know how easy it is to think poorly of people. It is human nature. To actually write poorly of another might just be inhuman nature.

thank you
Chris

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To Liz from truthseeker

As a person who is very spiritual I do not get blinded by the stars and the glitter they throw around all along a trail of selfish and self gratifying road. Yes Mel Givemesome financed the passion of the christ (mind you he was talking about a fictional character. Jesus of Nazareth was a JEW who rebelled against the romans and they killed him to show their authority over JUDEAH. The christ thing is the financial embezlement the romans continue to reinforce over the entire world to fill up their bank accounts). Getting back to the Mel Givemesome. When he wanted publicity he wept on his knees asking GOD on a Sunday (his day off from all the trouble this world is putting him through) for help. He wept and beat his chest wanting and wanting and wanting. And when God did not respond Mel went ahead and produced the film on his own without the help of God. He earned his money digging for it from the simple people's pockets and those who are blinded by what they think is faith. 400 million dollars went into his account. If he was truly honest about his contribution to such faith (catholisism) he should have given all that money to the poor (what I mean by the poor is not the church or some sort of organization that collects money to pay it's employees to keep the business of nonprofit going; the poor who are desperate for an education for an operation or a push to make ends meet).
What is deceiving about the passion of the christ is that it was the passion of Mel to use a Jew for his own satisfaction. I suggest you look at THE LAST TEMPTATION OF CHRIST a movie that makes you understand that you are an important human being in the eyes of GOD. If you study such epic you would become spiritual and not religious. I do not need to explain the difference between the two. You should know what I mean.
With respect to you opinion and compassion to your well being the truthseeker (I do not capitalize my name because of humility).

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It's amazing how one person's feelings become everyones in the eyes of that one person. I am reading the comments of someone (truthseeker) who in the end just sounds a little bitter and jealous. I think you need to be reminded that no-one was forced to see "The Passion". It was viewed by so many people like myself because we believe in Jesus and his suffering. And it was worth every penny. Mel GIBSON is not a thief but a gifted actor and director practicing his craft. "The Passion of the Christ" was an icredible film and if he made 400 million dollars on it then I say congratulations. Other than that, most of your gripes are bitter speculation. Unless of course you can tell us Mr. Gibson gave you all of your information first hand? I didn't think so. If your so humble then get off your spiritual high horse and respect the works of other human beings.

With respect to EVERYONES opinions regardless of their faith and beliefs,
David (I capitalize my name because it's the correct way to write.)

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To David

First of all I have a biblical name too. Not that it matters but the fact that have worked for 18 years in the film industry and I know a lot about what goes on when the cameras are not on; I take the liberty of seeing everyone from one point of view and that is MINE. Mel Givemesome is in exploiting the christian religion just like every religious person for the money. Mind you religion is different than spirituality. Religion is based on what you can get from God by pleasing him. Spirituality is what you do for yourself to become closer to God. If you could only see the world through my eyes and see what actors and directors such as Mel do when the cameras are not on you would change your mind and understand that all of what you see is an illusion. Actors are actors and they can cry and laugh and fake everything about themselves. Yes he put together a successful movie that made a lot of money the first time around. Look at what he ended up when he relased the movie again. Hardly any money. The illusion that was created did not work the second time because the people saw through it. I will cease to respond to this topic but I will continue to voice my opinion and attack all those who take advantage of all those who are spiritually weak.
PS: I assure you I am not jealous nor am I bitter just compationate toward those who are blinded by the illusions created on the screen.

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To truthseeker.

I think you are making a huge thinking mistake.
People don't have to go to the movie or buy it. Mel Gibson made very clear the story was about the last 24 hours of JC, and the way HE saw it and so what if he was a Jew? It is what he believes! And if you're interested, you go and see the movie just like any other movie.
Mel can't change history and make JC an American or Mexican or Dutch simply because jews might be offended...JC was a Jew period.
And Yes, Mel is an actor, it's the way he makes and/or earns his money. My grandfather was a butcher but only from 9 to 5 and after working hours he didn't spent his time butchering familymembers just for the fun of it! My other grandfather was a carpenter, just like Jesus' father but he stopped hammering after 5 p.m. really! I do think actors stop acting after working hours. And if they're not I really would like some examples of the contrary.
What you're saying is that actors are weird and you ridicule them, that they act for a living and thus they act in private too. Is your spirituality standing in the way or don't you realize that EVERYBODY acts their life away because you simply cannot be sincere all the time ESPECIALLY not if your name is Mel Gibson and everybody is watching you and weighing the words you say and the moves you make piece by piece. Why, if you're jealous nor bitter, do you call the man Mel Givemesome? What's the joke in there? I sense jealousy and dislike there if I am honest.
Sorry, if I don't understand, I am only a stupid Dutch woman, not enlightened at all but willing to see the good in all creatures, even in you and/or Mel Gibson.
Cheers,
Elizabeth aka Liz(yeah, biblical name too, sorry).

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Wow Liz

Take it easy. I happen to be a Jew also. I believe that the romans are and hav been using the jewish religion to thier advantage. They killed a jew and now they are collecting money in his name. I am not anti jewish at all. Matter of fact to the contrary I am anti christian because I do not beleive in the christian religion and disecting god into three.
As far as actors are concerned you are way too far from being anywhere near what you have said. (No insult intended). I have worked with people as such and I know what tantrums and aggression they project when cameras are not on.
Mel had stated on IMDB sometime ago that he wept and begged in the church on his knees for god to give him the power (money) to make this movie. Okay so he financed it with his own money since god did not write him a check.
The dilemma I face is that afterwards when he was in Utah in a university (refering to IMDB.com) a student asked him about the film and what it meant to him and that his vision was a little out of context to what the ew testaments states; Mel's respond was F*** you I made over 400 million dollars from this movie. As it turns out he used a religious figure JC to make money. The catholic church does the same thing. They use the name of JC (a great man/prophet who made it clear that people should worship one god and that god is the father of us all making every one equal) to make money.
I am making it clear that Mel wants to make money and if it is on the account of JC as you call him or the catholic religion so be it. He is not the devoted religious man you think he is. This year he wanted to cheat on his state taxes but could not.
The star treatment is what makes these people act the way they act.
PS: Givemesome is an inside joke.
Please you are not a stupid Dutch woman as you state in your comment. I am sure you are a very intelligent person who just happens to have a different opinion than me. I hope you are not taking all of this to heart and making it a little too personal. The headlines have written worse articles about people like Mel. We are having a simple discussion. At least I am.
Oh: GOD BLESS.

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To "truthseeker" yo reek ideology so your comments are not inportant, as a fan I admire Mel Gibson as a catholic I think he is very very whacko, not for what is seen in his movie, but for what he thinks personally.

Now youre comments show where you come from, let me tell you, protestantism is dead, THANK GOD ;)

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Hello All,
Truthseeker I think that you have problems with Christians and you generalize every Christian into one. People are not perfect and whatever MEl Gibson did God will judge him in the end it is not our place to. Also, God knows everything that we do before we do it. So if the Catholic church is using more to exploit Jesus that is on them. God knows the heart of every believer in due time He will do what he feels fit. I don't think however that you should judge every Christian on the faults of others. In Christianity, you have you own relationship with God. So you know what to do and what not to do. God will show you what is right and what is not right. In the end He will judge you like i stated before. So if your relationship with Jesus is strong then when something is wrong He will show you.
I cannot be mad at you because you are anti-Christian all I can do is pray for you to see that the Romans had not power of killing Jesus. He willingly laid down His life so that we could be saved through Him. He is the way the truth and the life, No man comes unto the Father except through Him. (John 14:6)
So maybe if you learn more about Jesus you will find out that Christians aren't bad.

God Bless

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To truthseeker.

I didn't want to offend you, I am not mad or something it's just...I am a fan of Mel Gibson, for yeaaaaaars now and I just can't believe he'd say or do something like that. I know he's not a saint, he doesn't have to either, because we aren't ourselves...well, in short: i don't think he's a saint but I am having trouble believing he's so very different from what I see on the screen. Eyes don't lie, the mirror of the soul, I see love and compassion in them, humor, intelligence, passion...and I still think he can make money of JC, why shouldn't he? I mean, I have the movie Jesus Christ Superstar too, I think it's great, not at all real but it tells a story as well just like Mel's movie. I just think we have to stop comparing the movie to the reality of JC's life and accept it as a movie...do you get what I mean?
email me at lizvanbreda@yahoo.com (wanna ask you something)

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