Is Tom Cruise Dangerous?

The quote from Brooke Shields about "saving the world from aliens" is pretty apt if you've ever heard of the ultimate truth of Scientology -- that all our problems can be traced back to millions of years ago when Xenu the galactic overlord set off hydrogen bombs in volcanoes across the planet. Not kidding. Someone needs to point Tom Cruise to xenu.net.

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You'd have to ask Brooke Shields if her comment about "saving the world from aliens" refered to Tom Cruise's movie War of the Worlds. It just as likely refers to upper levels of Tom's religion.

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I'm so sick of people like Zander simply parroting bogus crap about Scientology which was created (I'm guessing) by those with an ax to grind. Find out about it for yourself, first-hand. Don't believe gossip and wild fantasies invented by malcontents who have an interest in trying to destroy something which only seeks to help people.

What Cruise is doing is simply pointing out the fact that so-called anti-depressants like Paxil are harming millions of people every day - try getting off these drugs, by the way, which is now the next wave of lawsuits they'll face - yet the billions of dollars being generated by them (which greases palms throughout the system) is keeping them on the market. It's a scandal.

You don't have to be a Scientologist to figure out that psychiatrists and drug companies are inventing all kinds of "diseases" which - surprise, surprise - are "treated" by their drugs. Remember when millions of women were told they could lose weight by taking Prozac? Now what is it, an anti-depressant or a weight-loss drug?

Look at how Big Pharma isn't even bothering to contest suicides by people on these drugs anymore. They fight for a while then they settle. Why? Because a few million here and there doesn't dent their multi-billion dollar bottom line. Look at what happened when someone finally stood up and said, you can't give these dangerous drugs to kids. All kinds of internal documents showing that Big Pharma knew the dangers and suppressed them. It's just the same as Big Tobacco a decade ago. With the same motivation: so what if some people die or kill others. There's money to be made.

And you think Tom Cruise is dangerous?

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Zander isn't wrong about Scientology. There is mountains of evidence:
http://www.clambake.org/

Of course, you're not wrong JH. Big Pharma, Big Tobacco, etc. are real problems. Of course, another real problem is Narcanon. The only real cure. Of course, because only scientologists could be smart enough to figure it out. According to a lot of literature, you do have to be a scientologist to figure out Narcanon.

It's arrogant, power-hungry, multi-level marketing religious propaganda.

Let Tom fight aliens. I'm done taking him seriously.

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I think by saying Cruise is "dangerous" they mean dangerous to himself. It's fine for someone to go off on a crusade (Cruiseade?) on their beliefs as he's doing, but as a very prominent public figure he could be ruining his career if he pushes the wrong buttons.

Personally I think it might serve the best interests of Scientologists to come up front and confirm or deny the whole Xenu weirdness.

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"The man doth protest too much, methinks." judging by his recent interviews Cruise may be in the need of some psychotropic drugs. Many people who need professional help turn to religion.

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Well, yeah, pharmaceutical companies are immoral and money-grubbing. That's no news.

"What Cruise is doing is simply pointing out the fact that so-called anti-depressants like Paxil are harming millions of people every day"

But that's not all Cruise is doing; he's disparaging a completely uninvolved person!
I'm sick and tired of women being attacked for the choices they make in regards to their own bodies. With this outrageous and unprovoked attack, Cruise is part of that problem.
I appreciate that in some cases, imbalances in brain chemicals can improve with vitamins to a level patients find satisfactory. But that doesn't work for everyone! And if you're trying to care of an infant, major depression is even more difficult and painful than usual.

And he's not just implying that she's too dumb to care care of herself properly, he's also attacking the state of her career...when she just had a baby. What planet does this guy live on? And how does everyone there being billionaires with limitless power affect their economy?
What an arrogant fruitcake. Too bad he doesn't believe in psychiatry.

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The interviewer specifically asked Tom Cruise about Brooke's book. Bush brought it up, and so Cruise was expected to answer. And he answered honestly. Brooke, by her own words, appeared confused even about the definition of 'chemical imbalance'. There are many people who believe psychiatry and psychology is pseudo-science. I've wondered why they've never sued for libel. Could it be because they know it can be proved in court that their "science" amounts to nothing more than inconclusive theories backed by no cold, hard, objectively verifyable evidence? People get their human rights completely obliterated based on what a psychaitrist says about them. Check out www.psychcrime.org for a database of convicted psychiatrists then tell me about the "mountains" of evidence against Scientology.

And I am sick of people saying "he needs to be strapped down" or he's "over enthusiastic" or "he needs to be medicated". That's the exact attitude that allows the emotionally dead to lock up those who still have the sparks of life in them. Who died and made you god anyway?

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Tom Cruise has a right to his beliefs, AND not all drugs were created to rob peopole of thier money, contrary to conspiracy theories. Was the polio vaccine just a way to make money? Do some people realy have neurological disorders that require medication? Is a scientologist an MD, Neurologist, Psychiatrist? Let's keep things in perspective folks.

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Medicine has no monopoly on the human mind or spirit and one need not be a medical doctor to resolve such issues - that's the biggest lie of this century. Religious counseling still exists, and many people go that route instead of drugs that cause dependency and often times "acceptance" of a condition which can be changed for the better through other methods.

Depression is also a spiritual matter, not just one of the nervous system as many psychiatrists would have you believe. For example, if your husband cheats on you, and you become depressed over it, well that is a normal reaction to discovering this person didn't love you and wasn't as devoted to you as they claimed. Who wouldn't react that way in the face of outright betrayal? This person has just put your health and the happiness of the union in jeapardy. A drug can only numb nerves or mess with chemicals. It cannot help a person resolve issues of thought, morals, decisions, agreements, decency and love - the real stuff of life.

Authority belongs to that agency and field which can get RESULTS. When I say results, I mean a resolution of the couse of travail. Psychiatry is a false authority, not only because they fake science, but also since they write medicine over into faith constantly.

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My comment was purely an observation about Scientology, not Big Pharma. Yes, I agree that Big Pharma is bad. But that wasn't my point.

It is peculiar that anything mentioned by Tom Cruise these days is accompanied by a comment about his belief in Scientology. In the original post it is peculiar because one doesn't necessarily have to do with the other. I do not know if Cruise's belief in a vitamins-only based medication comes from his association with Scientology.

That said, the "mountains of evidence" against Scientology that have been mentioned deal not with the beliefs of the "religion" per se, but with its horrible mistreatment of its members and its cult-like activity. Scientology has been discredited for years as not much more than a cult whose members are made to hand over any money they can find in search of "the truth." A famous Time Magazine article detailed the questionable practices of the organization in 1991. They have coerced many members to hand over essentially their life savings. They have physically isolated members from their families. They are implicated in the deaths of some of its former members.

As for the Xenu bit, the information is taken from a document authored by L. Ron Hubbard himself and whose authenticity was verified by the organization's own legal counsel. Here's a link to the info.

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You know, I hear a lot of criticism about the money issue. To some people, money is the most important thing in their lives. That's what drives them, that's what consumes their every waking thought. So, when someone who cares more about money than social welfare hears about the donations for church services, they get their nylons in wad. There are some interesting things to onsider about this:

1. How much of your tax money does it take to house one mentally ill person for a lifetime, who has no hope of becoming rehabilitated through psychiatric methods? Last I remember hearing, a bed in a psychiatric hospital goes for $500 a day. What does society get in return? A park near my home has an adult day healthcare center next to it, and they let their patients out a couple of times a day to walk the park. You can't distinguish their patients from the bums - except that the patients are the ones with facial ticks and involuntary gestures. Is it improving their lives? No, but they have plenty of drugs to help them "cope".

2. In other countries, churches are often supported by taxes, so you don't really see it come out of your pocket directly.

3. Scientology churches, as are most churches, are ENTIRELY supported by their members in addition to their tax dollars also going to support those same beds in mental hospitals. We have no government handouts to rely on in the operation of our churches. (Secular programs rarely receive any government assistance). And yet we have new churches opening up every day.

Do I have any regret over the money I've donated to my church? Absolutely none. Why? Because it is important to me that others besides myself also get effective help. If you had any idea of the expense involved! My money also goes to pay for free Scientology literacy programs, drug education programs, community outreach and staff welfare. I have no regrets for that whatsoever. Am I rich? No way! But I'm not poor either, and I don't blame other people for what I decide to spend my money on. I spend it on what's important to me.

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In your comment #1 why should are tax dollars go the people who can not be helped. What should we do? What does your faith say about that? Many cultures in history (including history in the last 60 yrs) thought the same way, and euthanized people who were weak and infermed. Is that what scientology teaches? You can tell a bum from a mentally infermed or an elder, they don't have a choice. Chemical imbalances exists sometimes from the moment of birth, will just vitamins help? Sorry, your discription sounds more like fasciom.

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This issue is, in fact, directly related to Kaie Holmes and her alledged virginity?

This scientology-crap is so frickin boring. If cash is your King don't give too much away, if cash makes you feel guilty give it all away (see how much the church helps you then). Now, the true insight into Cruise's insanity is the fact that Katie is still a virgin. Whether you are a man or a woman, you must agree a night with Katie would do everyone who has posted in this string a lot of good.

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Fascism? I think locking people up and drugging them into a broken down wreck and acceptance of their condition, violating their human rights by doing so and calling it legally sanctioned science is an absolute fasicm. I wouldn't be a Scientologist if I believed in fascism.

Www.alternativementalhealth.com has some great ideas about what to do on homelessness. I believe that no one should be deprived of their freedom unless they have broken the law. Mental illness is not illegal, and we are all supposed to be safeguarded by the fact that we cannot be locked up until we have DONE something to break the law.

In my opinion, a place where a homeless person can go to get rest, food, effective counseling and medical and nutritional assistance for truly medical problems of their own free will, come and go as they please, until such time as they decide to change their lives on their own volition, will do much more good than any amount of fascistic force would ever accomplish. If a person wants to be a bum, then let them be a bum! That is their CHOICE! Euthanasia is a result of theories of genetic inferiority, of which I am opposed.

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So, let's suppose that the good things that happen in people's lives really boil down to their own resourcefulness or even "good luck". Let's suppose that through self-awareness and evaluation, people can solve their problems without drugs. Let's suppose that through a supportive community of people that believe in each other's abilities, people can succeed.

It would be great. People would attribute success and failure to themselves, not God, Satan or L. Ron.

Tom Cruise, like it or not, is a role model for many Americans. He is dangerous, because, he could have a very good story.

He could say, I had a dream, I applied myself and I was successful. He could highlight careers of lesser-knowns that surround him, and point out that their self-sacrifice and perseverence helped them to acheive.

Religion is dangerous. You make leaps in your mind that don't give you credit for much of your own acheivements, instead thanking God for every bit of it.

Not that those statements will sound reasonable to any religious person. There'll just be a smoke screen thrown up about how all of the other ones are wrong. Oh, and how pious is science that it purports to be above religion... That's always a zinger.

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Well, I can agree with Tom Cruise being dangerous to anyone whose trying to force people onto drugs, or trying to make people accept that they are the hapless victims of their chemical imbalances. If you want to believe there's nothing in the world you can do to change yourself or your life, that you just have to adjust to your genetically predisposed fate, accept your hopes and dreams as unrealistic and be on drugs so you won't notice your life going down the toilet, then perhaps psychiatry is for you afterall. Yes, Tom Cruise is dangerous to anyone who wants that outcome. He might inspire you. He might make it okay for you to be enthusiastic out of your mind. He might make life a lot of fun for people who haven't been able to enjoy it for quite some time. He might just help someone solve their problems without drugs. What a crime!! Unfathomable!!

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Gah. All of this just breaks my heart, and Ism is breaking my brain. I'm all for freedom, I'm all for living drug-free as much as possible, I'm all for working against nonconsensually drugging people into oblivion -- but I wonder how much contact Ism has had with the mentally ill homeless or with a loved one suffering serious clinical depression.

It's absolutely true that being depressed over a spouse's cheating, a loved one's death, etc. etc. don't necessarily need to be treated with drugs, that talking it out, praying for those so inclined, taking care of yourself and just doggedly pushing through to the other side of your suffering can often be all that it takes to get through a bout of situational depression.

But clinical depression? Whole other animal. You can have a great life, great job, good supportive loved ones, you can rationally know your life is valuable and good, and none of it does a damn bit of good. Some people (myself included) have fucked-up brain chemistry. I've talked through all my traumas. I've made peace with my mistakes and done my best to forgive and let go of the harm others have done me and to atone for the evil I've done others. And it's not enough, for me and for many others. I can't believe Ism has ever actually experienced the small bleak world of clinical depression, or suffered watching a beloved suffer through it.

For some people the drugs are a godsend. They don't drug you up; they turn down the volume on the voices saying I'm shit and I should die and The center cannot hold. They give you a quiet space in which you can be - free. And for some people there's no other way. To deny that drugs can ever be helpful for anyone is thoughtless and ignorant.

And you know what? I'm not even going to get started on the idiotic cruelty of Ism's comments on the homeless. Drugged into submission? Yeah, the trembling, unwashed man staggering down the sidewalk outside a San Francisco toy store a few weeks ago and almost mowing down my 8-year-old stepson, bleeding from one eye and begging for mercy from beings none of the rest of us could see, was sure enjoying his freedom. The angry woman who used to stand on my corner in her bathrobe beating the shit out of a lightpole with a plastic whiffleball bat and screaming in rage sure reveled in how nobody was oppressing her. These people aren't free, they aren't happy, they aren't enjoying their lives. They're sick. I know. I've been there (not quite that bad, but it seriously could've been). Not needing to be drugged into submission, but desperately needing intervention, structure, control, some help calming the storm and conquering the demons.

Vitamins? Bullshit. Willful blindness.

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It seems that Ism comments on the mentaly infermed burden on society, the edelery parents wieghing down the tax payers and you can't tell the difference between a bum and some one who is mentaly handicaped/challenged, is his own religon and beliefs. If it his faiths, I would like to see it in writing from Scientology and what we should do with those who can't help themselves. I personaly know what it's like to be on the street because I was poor. I know what it's like to hold a person's hand who doesn't know who you are, but appreciates your company just the same. I know what it's like to have a chemical imbalance and need medication. In addition I have done what I can, in education, service and self awarness to help myself and others do the best they can at overcoming thier challenges. That doesn't mean I,or they don't need medical help. Human's are not dogs, you can't take them out back and shoot them because they don't provide a personal benefit to you. Germany did that in WWII. I'm sure this person is just confused, if not, he will know one day and pray there is a human with compassion, love, logic and a willingness to except people for who they are. That's all I have to say.

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Why is this MAN talking about a WOMAN..and her personal experience with child bearing, birth and the after effects? I dont care if this is Tom Cruise, Tom Smith, Tom Nobody. You are a man, that is'nt going through hormonal and physical changes...DRAMATIC changes!!
This is an intelligent woman, who loves her child..loves her family and is trying to help other women (after they have their child) know that they are not alone if they too...are feeling something they've never felt before, that is more than likely very scary, and confusing.. It's up to every woman, to decide what is best for herself..discuss it with her family, and choose the right decision. Tom Cruise, I've loved you since Risky Business...but now you've just lost the respect of many many people...both women and men...with your views on something you will never experience personally. I've not experienced Post Partum Depression as Brooke Shields did after having my own child...but I think she is a brave woman for having shared her experience..possibly helping other women.
I thought you were better than that Mr. Cruise. You should go back to being more private with your views, after apologizing to Brooke Shields for your insensitive vocal statements.

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