Review: Kill Your Idols
Filed under: Documentary, Independent, Music & Musicals, Theatrical Reviews, Cinematical Indie

In the first scene of S. A Crary's Kill Your Idols, Martin Rev of Suicide describes mainstream rock in the early 1970s as an escape from reality. To him, bands like The Rolling Stones, with their glamorous image, dramatic outfits and bigger-than-life bravado were a necessary distraction from the increasingly depressing world outside. The Viet Nam War was a constant presence, and Watergate's stunning revelation was yet another blow to the fragile American psyche. Rev and others, however, wanted to deal with the world on its own terms, and to find a way to address the horror and perceived injustice of the lives they lived. Rev expressed his fury through music and he, along with his band Suicide, was one of the first entries into what shortly became known as the No Wave scene, a short-lived punk movement rooted in New York's East Village.
Starting with the founding of Suicide in 1972, Crary's film documents the next two decades in New York punk, with a twin focus on No Wave and the small group of NY punk bands that either made it big or threatened to do so in 2002 (the best known of which are the Yeah Yeah Yeahs and The Strokes). Despite its narrow focus, Kill Your Idols -- which Crary directed, photographed, and edited -- should appeal to an audience well beyond the punk music niche: In addition to an historical document about the founding of an often over-looked movement, it's also a meditation on artistic creation, and the sources of inspiration.
The film's most interesting segment by far is its first, in which the history and influence of No Wave are discussed by those who played a part in the movement. Among the interviewees are most of the big names of No Wave, including Lydia Lunch and Jim Sclavunos (of Teenage Jesus and the Jerks), Glenn Branca of Theoretical Girls, and Arto Lindsay (DNA), as well as Thurston Moore and Lee Ranaldo of Sonic Youth, a band begun very much under the influence of No Wave. In addition to the interviews, Crary offers rare footage of the bands in action, and the grainy, black and white clips greatly enhance the power of interviewees' words. What reoccurs over and over again in the interviews -- oddly edited, with jump-cuts removing words and phrases, and creating sentences that were never spoken -- is the sense of the urgency with which this music was created. Whether it sounds like anything to you or not isn't the point; the music was simply an outlet for the expression of the fear, anger, and disgust shared felt the No Wavers. At times, the music seems almost incidental. As Lydia Lunch -- who couldn't even play the guitar she wielded during concerts -- says, "It was about energy and emotion," and nothing else. These bands were made up of people (the great majority of them men) who "didn't feel like they fit in anywhere," and their music wasn't art: It was "an expression of pain" that happened to find its outlet with guitars, voice, keyboards and drums.
Interestingly, many of the No Wave veterans specifically say that they don't and never did consider themselves musicians. They were people in immense pain, who were trying to express themselves in ways that were totally new, and they didn't want what they did to remind anyone of anything. Founded in the same year as Suicide, the Sex Pistols were a punk band whose music nevertheless had deep roots in American rock music; the No Wavers left those traditions behind, and created something shockingly different. Jim Sclavunos describes this attitude most vividly when he says "We weren't just trying to make music. We were trying to be monsters."
The transgressive nature and violent independence of the No Wave movement is thrown into stark relief by the middle section of Kill Your Idols, in which Crary examines the East Village punk scene as it existed in 2002. Featuring bands like the Yeah Yeah Yeahs, the wonderful Gogol Bordello, A.R.E. Weapons and Black Dice, this segment starts out as an examination of punk's evolution in New York and slowly morphs into a forum in which most of the interviewees unintentionally show themselves to be pale imitations of what came before. Most of the featured bands, while expressing disgust with the foolish nostalgia of their counterparts and lauding their own originality, play music that is sounds for all the world like Teenage Jesus and the Jerks, or Sonic Youth, or Theoretical Girls. When the Yeah Yeah Yeahs talk about being the biggest band in the world while also insisting that they're naïve and pure, their blindness is less offensive than it is amusing. There are others, however, who are infuriating to listen to. The lead singer of A.R.E. Weapons, for example, trades aggressively on his rock star credibility, talking casually about hoards of willing women, while doing shots and saying "f*ck" as often has humanly possible. His dismissive condemnation of the nostalgia and accessibility of other bands in the same scene is downright insult in the face of such contrivance, particularly from a man whose music is completely indistinguishable from that made by any high school kid who digs 1970s punk.
Despite this wearisome middle section, Crary rescues his film by, just as the audience tires of the posing punk kids of 2002, bringing the No Wavers back to give their own interpretations of the modern movement. Most of them, not surprisingly, are far from complimentary, responding with a mixture of disgust and understanding. In 1977, after all, there was no concern about record deals or press coverage for these bands, because such a thing simply wasn't possible. The modern bands, however, are creating with the awareness that The Strokes had a major record deal before anyone in their scene had ever really heard them -- it's understandably hard to forget that success of almost unimaginable proportions just might be out there for them, too.
"Artistic purity" is such a terrible cliché that one is always loathe to even invoke the phrase. In this case, however, purity -- albeit a dark, morbid, amoral variety -- is just what drove No Wave bands, and what is lacking from most of the modern movement. The No Wave grew out of a desperate need for self-expression and release. It was simply a means of expression; the 2002 scene was something very different. In evaluating the kids following in their footsteps, however, the No Wave figureheads are shockingly articulate and thoughtful, offering intelligence and passion instead of what could easily have been flippant condemnation. Apart from Eugene Hutz of Gogol Bordello, few of the No Wave successors show any interest at all in the sources of their music or the reason it's being made; and the greatest compliment that can be paid to Kill Your Idols is that it manages to leave even those who know nothing about punk feeling nostalgic for the passion and intelligence of its early days.










Reader Comments (Page 1 of 1)
7-06-2006 @ 12:47PM
MosquitoControl said...
Am I the only one bothered that a documentary about NY punk called Kill Your Idols doesn't feature NY punk band Kill Your Idols?
Probably.
Not like they fit with the trash punk/garage rock bands this documents, anyway.
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7-06-2006 @ 1:33PM
krylon said...
I figured the documentary was named after the first Sonic Youth single.
This review made me want to watch this movie.
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7-09-2006 @ 9:10PM
skozmonaut said...
Id like to see someone do a more comprehensive informed film on No Wave. There have been many dissonant non commercial bands in the last 30 years. some in NY and some not. In that there is no credible connection between the No Wave scene and the popular rock bands of NY 2002 i find it unfortunate that this film is getting disribution and a DVD release. what a waste
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7-11-2006 @ 8:57PM
BJ said...
This film was amazing. I saw it over the weekend at Cinema Village in the East Village of NYC and I was blown away.
I am actually going to go again soon. You gotta support a film like this.
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7-12-2006 @ 10:03AM
Neromatic said...
Well I happen to like the documentary. It covered what they needed to without sounding like a history channel doc on punkbands! Thank god!
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7-12-2006 @ 3:11PM
trinity333 said...
to the comment above by 'skozmonaut': Two guesses...you're not from NYC and you haven't seen the film. All the bands in the film are actually directly related somehow here in the scene. ARE Weapons is a clear echo of Suicide, Jim Sclavunos of Teenage Jesus produced the first Gogol Bordello records (and Eugene Hutz first came to NY to play with James Chance), Mike Gira from Swans produced Flux, Black Dice would often play with Sonic Youth, as would the YYY's, Liars (who just toured with Alan Vega), etc. They all collaborate and attend each others shows. I thought the film was quite brilliant and well done. It doesn't try to masquerade as a historical document, which would be contradictory to the notion of No Wave and its disregard for the past anyway. If you saw the film, you missed the point, I think. If it was truly that disappointing I'd say make you're own. That's what the director of the film did, apparently. Rather well, too. Just my two cents.
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7-12-2006 @ 3:35PM
saavyscum said...
KILL YOUR IDOLS is the title of the first Sonic Youth single. Used long before the hardcore band. And used long before Sonic Youth by one Allen Ginsberg, me thinks.
Saw the film. Loved it. Go see it.
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7-12-2006 @ 4:53PM
skozmonaut said...
Actually I do live in NY though I didn't in 2002. I have not seen the whole film though i saw parts of it that were screened at a club in LA a couple years ago.
Just because some of these bands have played shows with or recorded with former members of no wave bands does not in my opinion mean they should be considered heirs to that lineage. None of those folks (gira, Lindsey, sonic youth, lunch, sclavounos) are making challenging music at this point anyways. Framing a documentary on the question of the connection between the two groups of bands seems rather arbitrary even when taking into account there shared geography.
Wether or not you like the NY class of 2002 (and I do enjoy some of thier output) they are all quite accessible. and were recieving massive amounts of hype from the mostly ny based print media. none of them were making dissonant challenging music. totally differnt context, totally different music:
Liars= gang of four/post punk
yeah yeah yeahs= boss hogg
black dice= soothing ambient drone
gogol bordello= energetic klezmer
ARE Weapons= offensively shitty suicide rip of band
Why not talk about the scissor girls, Us maple, harry pussy, the flying luttenbachers, sleetmute nightmute, coughs, god is my co pilot, xerobot, arab on radar, caroliner rainbow, yowie! etc etc.
I get the sense that scott crary kept hearing the term No Wave being used regarding his favorite bands (which it was quite extensively in the press in 2002) and so he decided to start using it with out any prior information about or interest in the late 70 early 80s rock scene.
I think an indepth look at the NO NY bands with tons of archival footage and interviews including (james chance and the mars folks) would be much more interesting and a better use of palm pictures marketing dollars. think of all the impressionable youth who are getting the wrong Idea!! jeeezz
I think this paragraph from the ny times review by Dargis is worth reading.
"Despite his access to both No Wave luminaries and atmospherically battered footage of various bands wreaking havoc at various venues, Mr. Crary never figures out what story he wants to tell. And so, after checking in with the oldsters, he checks out newbies like the Yeah Yeah Yeahs, whose connection to once-upon-a-downtown-time remains as elusive here as Mr. Crary's entire enterprise."
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7-12-2006 @ 8:09PM
lilorphan said...
Impressive film. Reveals all the shit in the music business these past few years in NYC. Surprised me with how elegant it handles all. Will def seek it out on video after seeing in theatre. HIGHLY RECOMMENDED.
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7-13-2006 @ 12:25AM
frankie said...
I love the irony of people slamming this without even having seen it! Proves the thesis of the film nicely--that no one relies on their senses or tastes anymore. If anything the film condemns the forced connections between old/young. The target is the media. Anyone that thinks this film is about the 'no wave' is thick. It's about so much more.
Just saw it tonight and loved it. Went looking for more information on it and found this review here. Much appreciated! It's great.
(And to the kid above wanting a No Wave history account: NOTHING COULD FURTHER INSULT THE ETHOS OF NO WAVE. No Wave wasn't a genre. If bands sound like those original bands they couldn't be less deserving of the title. As the film states well, it was a concept that perverted traditions not continued them. No such thing as a 'nowave' sounding band. Sorry. "Tons of footage" I doubt you'd get anyway. Most of those bands only played a few times and many of the key players are dead, I believe. Sumner Crane of Mars is for sure. Hardly any footage out there. As far as the director not knowing what story to tell, I certainly walked away with one. It was a story of many unique individuals, full of all the contradictions that would be exhibited from an unsuperficial 'historical account'. Really, any doubters shoud go see it. It's not what you expect.)
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7-13-2006 @ 4:33AM
skozmonaut said...
what about the metamatics Frankie huh, HUH?? they really had that NO WAVE SOUND. dont call me a kid I was born in the first half of the 70's . oh and I saw a 90 minute screening of vintage live footage a while back so it does exist. though maybe not of Mars who only played myabe 25 shows. I;m still not convinced the 78 vs 2002 merits a 75 minute film. please dont say "no wave ethos" again, yr scaring me. I heart meta matics
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7-13-2006 @ 4:45PM
12thandA said...
Great film. Great review here.
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7-13-2006 @ 10:33PM
trinity333 said...
To the guy quoting the Dargis review:
That's the same Dargis who praised the cinematic complexity of NACHO LIBRE with:
"Mr. Black's arrhythmic use of the word "whatever" verges on the Brechtian -- and it also works to the film's liberating vision of identity as a performance space, an existential wrestling ring, if you will, in which each of us, if only given the opportunity, can cavort freely in the mask and colored tights of our choosing."
And remembering her nod to the genius of the cartoon CARS as "a Pirandellian cavalcade of spiritual searching in which each of us, animated the right way, can determine our drives and desires"--hmmm, not too suprised that KILL YOUR IDOLS would be over her head and far out of reach of her tastes. Not suprised you wouldn't be convinced of the necessity of a film you've never seen either. Sound like a whiny fan boy to me demanding to be handheld along an annotated timeline. THAT--that would be a shame and an insult to No Wave.
It's a good film that serves its purpose well. The guy supposedly made it in his early 20s by himself with a few hundred dollars (even though I'm sure Palm must have had to pay out thousands for song rights, etc.). After I read that, the film seems impossily epic. Not suprised that those who don't get "it" before the film wouldn't get it after.
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