Mark Beall's Geek Beat: Redemption
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I want George Lucas to be awesome again. I don't know if he can be, and I certainly don't expect a project like Indiana Jones 4 to be the film to do it, but I want the old man to find his magic again. For the last several years it's been geek-vogue to slam George Lucas, and yours truly has been no exception. And yet occasionally I pause to remember how much I love the man, and how much the geek community at large owes to his creative genius. I encourage you to remember the way you used to feel about Star Wars before the new trilogy. It's easy to hate the man for taking away our love, but we should remember he is the one who gave it to us in the first place.
Maybe George Lucas has grown fat and lazy on his own excess. Maybe the rich old man is too far removed from the edgy creative youth which brought us the struggles of the heroic rebellion fighting the Galactic Empire. If I had to place bets, I'd wager on it being so. But perhaps the edgy, creative George Lucas still exists somewhere beneath the layers of CGI and dollar bills. If he does still exist, the best way for him to re-emerge would probably not be to continue on producing huge blockbuster movies with zillion dollar budgets. Who knows, maybe the best way to bring him back is with the smaller, shorter, more experimental flicks he's talked about lately.Do I expect a re-awakening of the George of old? Not if I'm being honest with myself. What's probably going to happen is Lucas will continue making big budget flicks like his forthcoming Indiana Jones, and meanwhile segue into television projects like the upcoming Star Wars TV show. His "new" mentality will probably look nearly identical to the last several projects he's done, only in a slightly different medium. Big money and a passel of people who continue to tell you "yes, George, you're such a genius," tend to have that effect. But am I willing to give up on one of the godfathers of cinematic geekdom? No, not yet. Because if the man could ever get his stuff together again, who knows what he could create.
From George Lucas to one of his chief descendants; one of the leaders in the new generation of American film geekdom -- Joss Whedon. While Lucas hit big with feature films, Whedon build a name for himself on the backs of the popular television series' Buffy The Vampire Slayer and Angel. Like Lucas before him, Whedon has built a veritable army of dedicated followers. For a time, it seemed as though anything Whedon touched turned into gold. Heck, even his "failed" television series met with such vocal fan support it revived itself in the form of a feature film.
But, sadly, the film failed, and even some of his own fans were disappointed by the effort. Whedon these days is tied up with his continual efforts to bring Wonder Woman to the big screen -- a project many are already casting doubt upon. The poor man admits to being mentally fatigued, and doesn't really have time to stop and catch his figurative breath.
Here's the deal for me when it comes to Joss Whedon: I've never been a big fan of his work, but I love the guy and what he means to the community. In many ways he is the opposite of modern George Lucas. His finger is smack on the pulse of the people he creates for, he constantly listens and responds to the desires of his fans, and he truly seems to love creating for the sake of creating. His boundless energy and enthusiasm is just what I'd love to see from every director in Hollywood, and I've often said other directors should be insanely jealous of the relationship Whedon has with his fans.
Yeah, Serenity was kind of a bummer. Okay, so I don't really expect much from a Wonder Woman movie either because, honestly, I just don't really care for Wonder Woman. But I'd love for Whedon to come out swinging and really knock the film out of the park because I think Hollywood needs more people like him, and it'd be a true shame if he slipped into mediocrity after such a powerful beginning to his career. Wonder Woman may not be the movie to do it, but don't count Joss Whedon out yet. The man is simply too creative and willful to go quietly into that good night.
Maybe I'll never see another engaging, edgy project from the once great George Lucas. And maybe Joss Whedon burned himself out early, or was perhaps even overrated from the beginning. Lucas has a stronger geek pedigree -- no matter which way you cut it, Star Wars has significantly more importance than Buffy -- but he has also dug himself a much deeper hole. Whedon had one failed (but still loved) television series and a mediocre movie to bounce back from, while Lucas has taken the most popular sci-fi movie franchise in history into a straight free-fall. What do you expect from these two greats as we slide into the next generation of science fiction on film?










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10-10-2006 @ 1:47PM
Nick V said...
Wait… why was Serenity so mediocre (besides its box office returns)?
I got into Firefly when it was doing the rounds on DVD and I've never seen Angel or Buffy so I'm hardly a Whedon fanboy, but god damn, Serenity is a fantastic film. I'd even say, of any film out there, it has the closest feeling to the geek-joy of the original Star Wars trilogy.
Maybe people who didn't watch the Firefly TV show before seeing the movie didn't have quite as visceral reaction though? Did you, Mark, watch (all of) Firefly first? Perhaps that could explain the difference of opinion here…
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10-10-2006 @ 11:09PM
Philip Maxey said...
Serenity was the best of all the above. I wouldn't classify it a mediocre at all. I have respect for George Lucas -- especially his special effects creations. However, unlike the author, I can't stand any of the Star Wars films. I hate the mystical "force" (despite the meaningful allegory) and the ridiculous light saber fights (any culture capable of space travel should not be sword fighting). Every time two people were light saber fighting and/or deflecting bullets with their stupid light sabers, I wanted to pull out a flame thrower and fry 'em both (let's see how well your light sword works when you're on fire and drenched in kerosene, idiot). To me, the Star Wars premise is just too unbelievable.
I realize I'm in the minority on that but I've never been mainstream. By comparison, I thought Serenity was excellent. (Now, you know I'm not mainstream.) After watching it, the first thing I said was, "why didn't this do better at the box office?" The only annoying thing about the film was some of the lingo. I thought Serenity was creative and original -- especially considering how much space travel Sci-Fi has been used since Star Trek.
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10-11-2006 @ 7:37AM
GVH said...
"But, sadly, the film failed, and even some of his own fans were disappointed by the effort"
I would not say Serenity failed. In fact, apart from the meager box office returns, the reviews were very favorable. And Serenity was very simply put a great movie. As for disappointed fans: that'll happen at every turn of the way with anything a creator does, especially with something as anticipated as Serenity, so it's hardly surprising. There's Whedon fans who dislike the later Buffy seasons, who dislike the earlier Buffy seasons, who don't like Angel, Firefly and who don't like Serenity or his comic book work.
Is Joss Whedon burned out? I don't believe so for a single minute. His run on 'Astonishing X-Men' has been met with great enthusiasm, he's working on two movies (Wonder Woman and Goners) and there's new comics projects on the horizon (he'll be writing new Buffy and Serenity comics and he's taking over 'Runaways', a succesfull cult Marvel title).
As for George Lucas and Star Wars: I absolutely love the original trilogy and fell in love with that world as a kid. Of the latest trilogy, only the final installment did anything for me, and even that was a flat, lifeless film with bad acting, worse writing and way too much CGI work. Then again, the movies continued to do great at the box office ánd the final movie had very decent reviews, so he must be doing sómething right. Just not what I'd like to see happen with Star Wars.
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10-11-2006 @ 8:03AM
John Cameron said...
Having spent my childhood years weaned on the original theatrical release of Star Wars and Raiders of the Lost Ark, I admit that I'll always have a warm and fuzzy place in my heart for the early epics of George Lucas. They were bright gleaming cinematic gems that showed the heart of a younger filmmaker still learning his craft. His later work kept true, for me at least, to the spirit of fun and adventure in his earlier films. I don't blame him if his recent trilogy didn't affect me as much, because having grown up in the middle of the original Star Wars craze, I realize that the movies (even the original ones) were so much more enjoyable in the carefree innocence of my youth. It's not that Lucas has lost his "magic", per se - it's just that I've outgrown him.
Perhaps the reason why Joss Whedon isn't the household name that George Lucas is is that his work doesn't pander to younger audiences. His TV and cinematic work contain the same feeling of whimsy that has made Lucas' films so endearing, but he doesn't lose sight of the fact that the Star Wars generation has grown up. We now expect more than just cool effects, cutesy moments, and high adventure. We want characters with real depth and emotion, an edgy story that thoroughly engrosses us, and a feeling that at any moment the bottom might fall out from under us. Despite all the negative press he's gotten for it, Joss delivered all this and more - with Buffy, with Firefly, and especially with Serenity.
Will I still go see Indiana Jones 4 and fall in love all over again? You bet. And Wonder Woman? She'll have a fond place in my memories as well. Because let's face it - talent is talent - and no matter how hard some people enjoy bashing them, Lucas and Whedon rock!
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10-11-2006 @ 12:02PM
Mark Streed said...
I was a past Lucas junky, and at one point you might even say "get a life". As a kid, I saw the original Star Wars 168 times in the theater (see no life). However I have to disagree with you on your Serenity take. I wish Lucas knew how to write characters as well as Joss. Hands down Joss is the better writer and more in tune with what the fans want. As much as I loved the old SW movies, not one has the same character development that Joss can pull off in a single hour of TV. Bottom line Serenity is one of the best, NO, I have to say the best Sci-Fi movie to date! Lucas needs to start taking notes from Joss.
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10-11-2006 @ 2:15PM
Tarek Kandil said...
First off, do not EVER compare a film like Serenity to any of the Star Wars flicks. That's just insanity. Lucas created the greatest story ever told. Serenity, on the other hand, was so boring...just garbage. People complain about the acting or writing of the Star Wars movies, but that's how Lucas intends them to be. He grew up on Flash Gordon and cheesy sci-fi movies. It's supposed to be like that! Everybody misses the point that Star Wars was made to teach KIDS about life...good vs. evil, redemption, sacrifice, determination, and that all choices have consequences. George Lucas is brillant and I thank him for such creative and exciting films. Most everything coming out of Lucasfilm, LucasArts, ILM, and Skywalker Sound are the best in the biz. No comparison. Case closed. I can't wait for the TV series.
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10-11-2006 @ 1:54PM
Refuge5 said...
I am a child of Star Wars. Born in the late 70's my first movie experience was in fact Star Wars, and I still get the same child like feeling when I see Star Wars or The Empire Strikes back... I would like to see Lucas return to greatness, but I don't believe it will ever happen... Joss on the other hand! The first time I saw Serenity I got that Star Wars feeling all over again, and watching FireFly made me realize that I was in danger of finally replacing Star Wars in my geek heart - and you know what? It's happened... I'd rather have more Mal Reynolds than Han Solo any day!! Dont get me wrong - Star Wars will always be my first love, something special about that first love, but Serenity/Firefly - that's my true love!
Can't stop the signal!!
R5
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10-11-2006 @ 4:07PM
Vishal said...
I think that I had created Star Wars, that twenty years had passed and that in 1999, I had a billion people's' expectations and the best CGI effects team in the world behind me... well, I'd probably have made The Phantom Menace too. Well, actually I'd have made Revenge of the Sith -- a fan-pandering, tie-up-all-the-loose-ends film with lots of explosions and no characterization whatsoever (I mean, come on, what did they do to Amidala?!).
That Lucas chose to shift gears completely and present a pretty different world to us in Phantom Menace -- flawed and underdeveloped though it may be -- is commendable. Of the three prequels I feel Attack of the Clones is the most balanced. It had the right mix of whimsy, spectacle and character.
George Lucas is the same guy who followed up Star Wars -- *STAR WARS* -- with Empire Strikes Back. The hero lost his arm, the villain turned out to be his father, the coolest guy in the galaxy got frozen... Someone reading a synopsis like this in 1978 had to have told him, "George, you're crazy." Yet, he still did it. And then he helped to create Indiana Jones. Not bad.
Honestly, while he's had one mis-step (Phantom Menace) and only one film I find disappointing (Revenge of the Sith), I don't think we can completely write him off yet.
Joss Whedon, on the other hand, I worry about. When Serenity could have been the start of a major series, it was written like it was the end of a series. He writes wonderful characters who are smart and know all the snappiest lines, but I genuinely fear that Wonder Woman will be transformed from an terrifyingly beautiful Amazon Goddess into a wisecracking postmodern girl. They will be entertaing wisecracks, I'm sure, and some of the deeper, more vulnerable parts of the character will be handled well too, but I still haven't seen Joss deliver an honest-to-goodness Superhero.
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10-12-2006 @ 4:34PM
MaTwang said...
Serenity was a box office failure, that is certain, but has never been a failure with its fans.
Here's the proof: at IMDB.com, Serenity has earned an average user rating of 8.1/10 with 49,100 votes.
Yes, that was 49,100 votes....
If you were "bored" by the film, these statistics prove that you were a rare exception.
Here are other impressive stats:
The Firefly user rating at IMDB.com is 9.5/10 with 4,992 votes.
Serenity At Amazon has earned 4.5 stars out of five with 990 customer reviews.
Firefly at Amazon, has earned a "solid" 5 out fo 5 stars ((no half-stars) with 2670 customer reviews.
And here another amazing statistic, Firefly, which was cancelled in December of 2002, it still hanging on
at Amazon in the 100 top-selling DVDs list. It's coming in presently at 60, but as recently as 8.12.2006 it
ranked 10th....almost four years since it was released to DvD on 7.22.2003.
Not bad for a "failed" TV show which only tape 13 episodes prior to it's cancellation. Here's the Amazon
Firefly ranking page at FireflyFans.net, which shows Firefly's long ride on the Amazon DVD charts:
http://fireflyfans.net/amazon.asp
I was a huge fan of the series and I LOVE the movie.
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11-10-2006 @ 1:29AM
Treeless Hippie said...
I will give Lucas credit for his groundbreaking special effects. And no doubt the story arcs for Lucas' films serve as our generations' cultural epics. I'll rave for any story that has key elements of the hero's or heroine's journey (a la Joseph Campbell and Maureen Murdock). Darth Vader's fall to the dark side in 3 does very well to set up his son's ascension in 4 and 5, and his own redemption in 6.
It's too bad Lucas can't write compelling dialogue. Considering how believable his actors are in other films, I don't think their talent is in question. Certainly a significant factor is all the directional overhead of leaving space & time for the CGI to be inserted later. But ugh! the actual words coming out of their mouths! (too many examples to list)
I hope he doesn't insist too much on revising Spielberg's and Koepp's Indy4 script:
http://www.comingsoon.net/forums/archive/index.php/t-24911.html
But Lucas and scriptwriting? I don't see Lucas with an Oscar for screenplay. Unlike Whedon (Toy Story), a great example of a redemption quest. Remember the saying, "Power tends to corrupt"? Well, Woody is Andy's favorite toy, and that position is threatened. So, he acts to remove Buzz, the competition. Plans go awry, and he must go to a hellish Sid's room to redeem himself. Raise your hand if you hear a lot of classic echoes there.
I have high hopes for Whedon's Wonder Woman. With Buffy, Fred/Illyria, and River, Joss shows his mastery of the feminine coming of age epic cycle. (OK, granted, I'm showing my fandom here.) They share the character-building initiation tasks of Psyche, Boudicca, Vasalisa, and the Little Mermaid.
But Joss must carry the Diana Prince story forward. It's rooted in a 1940's post-war Rosie Riveter mentality. Our most recent screen memories are of campy, Charlie's Angels contender Lynda Carter and crappy Justice League animations.
I've read Joel Silver's comments on choosing Joss, and what Joss said the script had to be. It was sounding like a passing of the torch to a younger Amazon. In the original comics, Hyppolyta had two daughters (separated at birth, of course), both Wonder Women, and at least once vying to be the lone titlist. There is certainly room in the Amazon universe for (to borrow from the Buffy 'verse) a Potential's transformation and coming of age.
And Joss will find a way to grow Diana Prince's allies and Big Bads into a classically inspired ensemble, and it'll still be fresh and compelling.
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11-20-2006 @ 11:40PM
Ann Koch said...
As a Joss Whedon fan and Indy Jones fan I am looking for the next great adventure characters, but I wish Joss could take a bit of time off to save Veronica Mars.
I know he cared about that show and
Season 3 characters are unfocused and plots are mindless.
I liked the way Buffy ended, the plot and characters drove toward a meaningful climax. Serenity showed more ambivalance. I too am fearful about the Wonder Woman project-I don't want JW to burn out his talent on something totally trivial. I keep looking for hopeful postings about the new projects. Older people like myself still have a lot up their sleeve so Lucas may have something totally unexpected coming...
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