Michael Moore Wins in Lawsuit
Filed under: Documentary, Independent, Celebrities and Controversy, Michael Moore, Miramax, Cinematical Indie
Legally, it's been a good month for documentary filmmakers. As Jennifer wrote last week, the makers of Borat, which is only enough of a doc to feature real people, won a legal battle with the fratboys who claimed they were deceptively coerced into their unflattering appearance in the film. Now, Michael Moore has won in a similar case.Moore was being sued by Sgt. Peter Damon, who appears in Moore's Fahrenheit 9/11 without consent. Moore didn't need his approval, though, because the filmmaker had gotten the footage of the injured vet from NBC. But Damon wasn't as displeased with being recycled into a popular film; he was mostly upset with how he is presented in the doc. He claimed he was inaccurately used and his beliefs were wrongly represented. Apparently his real story can be seen in the rebuttal docs Fahrenhype 9/11 and Michael Moore Hates America.
Unfortunately for Damon, the judge in the case threw out his suit, which asked for $35 million from Moore and Miramax (each, I believe). Unfortunately for non-fiction film credibility, too. When I wrote about the suit back in June, I defended Damon, mostly because I support discussion of manipulation in documentary filmmaking. But I didn't mean to imply that I think Moore should be censored or unable to be biased or show what he wants how he wants -- this is the historical, wonderful issue with documentaries. I just think that people need to challenge and discuss non-fiction cinema and how it mustn't always be believed yet should be appreciated. So, I was happy to see Damon sue Moore and am now happy that he lost, because he at least got his argument out there without there being any ramifications to the art and freedom of cinema. As for the docmakers who really think they are doing completely honest, truthful work, they can go on believing that, though they might want to look back on the credibility of some of the most famous documentaries, maybe study a little Soviet cinema, and get over themselves.










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12-22-2006 @ 7:48PM
LD said...
Moore is nothing but a propagandist who plays on stupid people's uninformed beliefs.
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12-22-2006 @ 8:20PM
kaitlin hess said...
Does anyone actually BELIEVE the B.S. that Michael Moore makes up?
Unfortunately many do because of their ignorance and hatred for our government. I would have loved for this soldier to have sucked some money from his fat pockets.
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12-23-2006 @ 5:57AM
David said...
People hate our government...Moore is a propagandist...boo hoo. Not everyone has swallowed the conservative Kool-Aid! Need I remind you people that at least 50% of Americans do not accept President Bush's doctrines and it is our rights as American not to do so. Need I also remind you that he [Bush] got us into Iraq because of mythical weapons of mass destruction. Thank God that some people are open-minded enough to question government policies. As a thinking American (conservative or not), one should not always believe the government's motives! Would you rather have a country in which Michael Moore was not allowed to express his views through film or other media? If so, consider yourself a fascist.
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12-24-2006 @ 12:31AM
S. Bailey said...
"Moore is nothing but a propagandist who plays on stupid people's uninformed beliefs."
And he makes documetaries. Land of the free, home of the brave.
Bush has a whole team of propagandists who prey on stupid and intelligent people alike (if intelligent people are lied to, i.e. WMD's in Iran, well...).
And people die, innocents. Then they come up with insulting terms like "collateral damage" to avoid saying so.
I don't hate my government, but I hate the injustices the current administration purveys. The Patriot Act. How does eroding our rights protect our rights? That's like saying you can lengthen a piece of material by cutting an inch off the top and sewing it to the bottom. Habeus corpus? So much for the land of the free and the home of the brave. Another casualty to file under collateral damage.
So as long as Michael Moore is speaking out, whether you or I agree with him or not, at least it shows there is still some respect for our constitution in effect.
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12-23-2006 @ 11:59AM
Sy said...
David what the hell are you talking about? No one is trying to "censor" Michael Moore, not even the government. They are just expressing their views that Michael Moore was not completely objective, to the say the least, in his previous films. Is that too hard for you to swallow ...that filmmakers have biases ...like all humans? Michael manipulated people and facts to get his views of the world across to his audience.
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12-23-2006 @ 2:19PM
David (another one) said...
Was it Michael Moore who claimed to have evidence of
mobile chemical weapons labs? Was it Moore who claimed Iraq tried to obtain "Yellow Cake" from Niger for it's non existant nuclear program?
So.....challenging a government that has lied to the very people who put them in office implies a hatred of all government and everything American down to apple pie? You guys need to get off of Bush's jock long enough to open your eyes.
Your problem is that you can't separate government from country. Moore obviously loves this country, just look at his body of work, I see no need to love the government which is up for re-election every 4 years. The real ignorant people are the ones who believe anything "the government" tells them without question.
I am willing to bet that the first two posters still believe there were weapons in Iraq but they were
magically transported to another country. Wake up.
And to Sy who wrote and I qoute " Michael manipulated people and facts to get his views of the world across to his audience." Are you kidding me? Did you see Colin Powell in front of the UN? Moore may have manipulated but at least he didn't create out of thin air like some people did.
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12-23-2006 @ 3:25PM
Sy said...
David, the subject is Michael Moore ...not Bush, the Iraq War, or Colin Powell. We are talking about films here ...not the whole scope of politics. Instead of counterpointing what others have said, you have created a straw man. This indicates you have nothing to add on this subject. Yes, I am happy you agreed with the posters here that Michael Moore is a less than honest filmmaker.
I could debate you about Bush and the Iraq War and the use of FAULTY INTELLIGENCE but this is not a debate about politics.
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12-23-2006 @ 10:16PM
Kokobin said...
"David, the subject is Michael Moore ...not Bush, the Iraq War, or Colin Powell. We are talking about films here ...not the whole scope of politics."
Funny. I thought the subject was the right-winging soldier who went to Iraq to kill innocent Iraqis who had no weapons of Mass Destruction. So many innocent men, women and children dead for no good reason but American fabricated lies, and many women raped by American soldiers, as recent criminal charges have revealed.
I am glad that the greedy Sgt. Peter Damon got his just desserts in Iraq and not a penny more from Michael Moore. I recall the neocons and swiftboaters enthusiastically backing him in their various web blogs, not even bothering to examine the facts before condeming Michael Moore as the spawn of Al Qaeda in the West. Turns out he was right from the beginning, as was George Galloway.
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12-23-2006 @ 11:03PM
kaitlin hess said...
"Funny. I thought the subject was the right-winging soldier who went to Iraq to kill innocent Iraqis who had no weapons of Mass Destruction. So many innocent men, women and children dead for no good reason but American fabricated lies, and many women raped by American soldiers, as recent criminal charges have revealed."
Spoken like a true America hater, Kokobin... who believes that WE are the Evil ones killing innocents when you have it COMPLETELY backwards.....i spit in the face of whoeever cannot distinguish the difference between Osama Bin Laden and George Bush. We do not kill for the sake of killing like the enemy....this moral equivalence stuff is pathetic and even moreso pathetic and sad are those who think that America is the cause of pain and tyranny and killing of innocence all over the world for Greed and power.
If you think America is over there raping and pillaging instead of trying to establish some kind of greater good....than God help your soul and i wish you would get out of my country, since you despise so much of what we stand for and our desire to police the REAL tyrants and evil of the world.
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12-24-2006 @ 3:09AM
David (the other one again) said...
Sy, if you think that this has nothing to do with politics then you are an even greater fool that your posts reveal. This is all about politics and nothing else (Ok, maybe a little bit about movies........but mostly politics). If you read the second post, it is sweet Ms. Kaitlin (Is that Ann Kaitlin by any chance?) who first mentions government, I was simply following her lead.
To Kokobin, I don't know if you watched Farenheit 911 but it was all about and I'll quote you here "Bush, the Iraq War, or Colin Powell. We are talking about films here .." So if we are indeed talking about the film then don't you think the subject is said film is relevant? I fail to see how I can discuss this film without referencing its subject matter, but I am sure you and your ilk can.
But if I must I'll let you know that I am happy this soldier will not see a penny.
Lastly to Kaitlin (or is that Coulter....wink wink), like many Americans you seem to be confused, Osama Bin Laden had no connection to Iraq, even your fearless leader Bush admitted as much on television. After reading your post I got chills I was really expecting you to take that final step and say something like this
" We are a peaceful people. We don't kill our enemies. We get our enemies to kill each other."
Sadly I cannot take credit for that line but a true movie buff should appreciate it.
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12-24-2006 @ 5:17PM
Kokobin said...
"I would have loved for this soldier to have sucked some money from his fat pockets."
Well, Tootsie, it ain't going to happen, no matter how hard you wish it.
And our so-called troops are not angels, but murderers and rapists and the more of them the Iraqis kill in revenge or blow off their limbs, the better they would run back to their farms and play with their dogs and pigs in their barns.
"Spoken like a true America hater." Moi? Just because I believe that Michael Moore was right in all the essential facts of his movie, ie, George Bush's war was a fictitious one and there are no WMDs, exactly as the UN weapons team concluded time and time again.
It is highly regrettable that that idiot and stupid moron of a soldier and greedy pig did not have all his brains and limbs left behind as a trophy for the Iraqis to decorate their highway with. Suing Moore at least got him to be featured in rightwing pisspoor rubbish that nobody bothered to watch.
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12-10-2007 @ 11:15AM
Kokobin said...
"To Kokobin, I don't know if you watched Farenheit 911 but it was all about and I'll quote you here "Bush, the Iraq War, or Colin Powell. We are talking about films here .."
You are not quoting me, but Sy as you would not find any of the above in my post.
"but I am sure you and your ilk can"
My ilk? I am afraid you have my post mixed up with someone else's. As you should be able to discern, I speak about everything relevant to Michael Moore and his excellent movie which was the first to really take on the liars of Congress and the quest for Iraqi oil under fictitious circumstances.
I am sure all those right-wing nutters who were predicting the end of Michael Moore via the anticipated win for the greedy moron of a soldier would eat thier grits uncooked over this holiday period and await another chance to leap on another hopeless wagon all in an effort to prove Michael Moore at least partially wrong.
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12-24-2006 @ 7:55PM
kaitlin hess said...
Look, we arent going to change each other's minds....you can believe I am a right wing extremist idiot, or Anne Coultier ( whom i despise by the way) or whoever and i will believe you are an ignorant, anti-american left wing nut job.
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12-24-2006 @ 11:14PM
David said...
My most sincere apologies Kokobin, I was quoting your quote in post #7. Please accept my retraction and redirect the full force of my animosity towards Sy. Thanks.
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12-24-2006 @ 11:13PM
David said...
Kaitlin, you have to realize my posts are purely comedic with serious undertones. I am positive that you are not Ann Coulter. I guarantee that I have changed many hearts and minds.
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12-24-2006 @ 10:02PM
Kokobin said...
"Does anyone actually BELIEVE the B.S. that Michael Moore makes up?
Unfortunately many do because of their ignorance and hatred for our government."
Michael Moore is far more credible than "our" government", which secretly paid journalists in Iraq to manufacture lies, invent "positive truths" and distortions of the truth in various Iraqi media outlets and in Miami, among others.
Notwithstanding a few indictments for rape and murder in the Haditha Massacre and the Abu Ghraib show trials, the duty to secure Iraq's oil (and the real reason for the Bush war, as Michael Moore clearly demonstrates, goes on unabated.
Hence the American push to build the largest American embassy building anywhere in the world in Iraq goes on. Why and for what other purposes?
We all know that eventually, that embassy building would be Twin Towered to the ground and the UN building was. But the dreamers and greedy dogs continue to pursue their evil plans for now.
"whoever and i will believe you are an ignorant, anti-american left wing nut job."
Very funny.
Impress me. Enlist and defend Bush and his alcoholic brood by fighting in Iraq.
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12-25-2006 @ 12:30AM
Kokobin said...
No problems David.
Even as this goes on, Sy is being re-educated about life and the real mess in Mesopotamia planned and executed by the Thief-in-Chief and his yes people.
Wolfowitz Owes Us an Explanation.
Remember him and his sick saliva-comb-over job in Fahrenheit 9/11?
"Accountability is one of those ideals, like justice or the triumph of right over might, that are wonderful in principle but usually disappointing in practice.
This is nowhere more true than in Washington, where one of the most powerful men in President Bush's inner circle, a man who helped conceive, plan and execute the Iraq war, has managed to escape scrutiny for steering his country into one of the greatest strategic catastrophes of his generation."
http://www.commondreams.org/views06/1224-23.htm
Michael Moore was and is right.
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12-26-2006 @ 10:25PM
Jesus said...
The problem with many of us is that we don't like thinking for ourselves or making difficult decisions, instead we opt to having someone else think and make decisions for us. We then wrongly assume and trust these people are making the right decisions for us. Our President lead this great country to war instead of peace, all for big industry (military industrial complex) big industry with the help of our elected officials (our government) are systematically destroying our environment, while the whole time saying there is nothing wrong, that there is no such thing as global warming. Thank God for special people like Michael Moore and others. They have great courage to come forward against current opinions (like some here). How many here would come forward if they knew the truth even though they knew it would be unpopular? Before you say anything, go to these sites: www.whywefight.com , www.iraqforsale.org ,
www.climatecrisis.org , www.whokilledtheelectriccarmovie.com
Check them out, buy or rent the movies and see for yourself. It will make you gag. Cheers for Michael Moore.
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