NYCC Report: Kevin Smith Talks Superhero Death Wish, Joel Siegel Feud, Superman Returns' Logic Problems, Ryan Phillippe Rumors
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There's no question that Kevin Smith knows how to work a room -- he's even making you wait for it these days. Smith showed up almost twenty minutes late for his Saturday solo question-and-answer session at NYComicCon, but still arrived to roaring applause and a long line of question-askers. Unfortunately, only a small percentage of the audience members who lined up to ask questions had anything cogent to say -- in fact, most of them could be broken down into three distinct categories -- the person who tries to turn a question into a three-hour conversation, the person who tries out-funny Kevin Smith, and the person who asks "I heard you don't like XYZ -- how come?" There were a few lightbulbs on out there, however, and Smith was able to quickly give out some details about his upcoming slate of projects, which you can read about right here. Soon after that, he was defending his supposed anti-Transformers stance, from Clerks II. "I don't have a lot of hate for the Transformers, either. It's just kind of an easy target to make fun of," Smith began.
"It was a generational gap to kind of exploit. Randall would be my age, probably, and I was not a Transformers guy. Those were cartoons that came out after my time -- I was in high-school at that point and way too cool to watch cartoons. I don't miss cartoons where nobody died and shit like that, like Transformers and G.I. Joe. G.I. Joe -- it's a war with no stakes whatsoever, just a lot of property destruction." A clever questioner next tried to get Smith to comment on the Ryan Phillippe/Reese Witherspoon break-up (Smith is enemies with Witherspoon over some incident from the days of Overnight Delivery) and Smith jokingly responded by talking up some rumor he heard that the break-up may have sprung from a sex tape circulating that shows Phillippe engaging in "twink-like" behavior and being a "party bottom." When asked what comics he's been reading lately, the only book he could come up with was The Watchmen, which is of course on the fast-track to a big-screen adaptation.
When asked what he had to say about the Joel Siegel feud -- Siegel tried to stage a mass walk-out at a screening of Clerks II -- Smith reiterated what he's said previously, that he couldn't care less if Siegel walks out as long as he doesn't disrupt the film for the other critics. "I didn't care that he walked out. He did a Jerry Maguire -- 'who's with me!?' -- and there was no Renee Zellweger in the theater." Someone else had the presence of mind to quiz Smith on Southland Tales, which is now stuck in some kind of semi-permanent limbo status. Smith chose his words carefully, and said the film "is a real uphill battle. It demands a lot of its audience," and that it was always a "really challenging" project. When pressed for his current thoughts about the state of superhero fandom, Smith came out with the opinion that old superheroes like Superman and Spiderman should be killed off, the sooner the better, and that it would do them good in the long run.
Superman should go because "you can only do so many things with the character" and he's been around long enough to have told his most interesting stories already. Smith compared Superman to Jesus, who went out on a high note and got lots of acclaim for it. He said that Spiderman suffers from the same kind of problem, and that both of the comic icons should be killed off in high style and then left alone so that the "new Citizen Kanes" of the comic world can have a chance to rise to the top. "Give Speedball a chance!" he said. A tangential discussion also arose about the Superman Returns movie -- Smith admitted not liking it. "It was kind of....boring," he said, before launching into a diatribe on the lameness of Lex Luthor and the silliness of pitting a superhuman alien against a real-estate scam artist. "I'm gonna get a mortgage at .4 percent!" Smith joked. He said that X3 was better than Superman Returns, and also went off on another tangent, about supposed logic problems with the film.
According to Smith, the logic problems occur if you accept Bryan Singer's premise -- that Superman Returns picks up where the second film leaves off, with Superman having sex with Lois, then giving her an amnesia kiss and taking off to go find his relatives and whatnot. When Lois finds out her kid in Superman Returns can throw a piano, and is therefore Superman's kid, why is she not very surprised? She should have no memory of having sex with Superman, so when she visits him in the hospital, shouldn't her first question to him be -- Smith's words -- "When did you rape me?" Various other tidbits were scattered throughout the 90-or-so minute talk; Smith told fans not to expect a Clerks animated feature anytime soon, because Weinstein holds the rights to Clerks II, but does not hold the rights to the original film, and it would be a huge rights tangle to get something like that made. When asked to list his favorite superhero films, he named The Rocketeer, Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles, X2, and Tim Burton's Batman -- all in all, a pretty entertaining talk.










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2-26-2007 @ 7:31AM
Rick said...
Smith sounds very bitter. Is he still angry that his Superman script was, for whatever reason canned years ago? As a successful screenwriter myself, I find it oddly hilarious that Smith and other "writers" have a hard time writing Superman. With an iconic character like Superman, there is an idea, a story and a theme hidden in every shadow or light if you're patient and confident enough to stick around. To kill Superman or Spider-Man, in Smith's words; "that both of the comic icons should be killed off in high style and then left alone so that the "new Citizen Kanes" of the comic world can have a chance to rise to the top. " is a cop-out of the highest order! Bryan Singer's :Superman Returns" was not a perfect film, 100% of them usually aren't. But his longer-than-necessary vision and re-introduction is one of grandeur and spectacle that brought back "Superchrist" in majestic fashion. Where is Kevin Smith's vision? Where is Kevin Smith's passion? Where is Kevin Smith? Until those questions are pondered zen-like or not, one can understand why Bryan Singer is doing epic-like stories and Smith is doing "Clerks XI."
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2-26-2007 @ 9:49AM
Flit said...
Sorry, I generally have hated everything smith has done since dogma, but his insights on the industry are pretty much spot on. Superman WAS boring. Superman has sucked for 10 years. Let him go, quit flogging the dead corpse.
Smith has a hard time writing superman because what story hasn't been done? Superman has done everything, including dragging lois up to space and sufficating her because she won't marry him. You only wouldn't have a hard time writing a superman script because you just know "he's the man of steel!".
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2-26-2007 @ 10:47AM
James said...
To say that every story has been told about Superman is just silly. There have been successful stories told about Superman for the past 70 years. I really don't think Clerks is iconic enough to endure for seven decades. Superman is an American icon, and without him we wouldn't have the comic industry. He is the ultimate superhero. He has also escaped the comic panel and had his story told in other media markets for over 60 years. The latest film, boring or not, topped $200 million and is one of the highest grossing films of all time. Regardless of how you like it, there is more than enough material to be put on screen for the hero to keep audiences coming back for years, or at least longer than Jay and Silent Bob will to be sure.
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2-26-2007 @ 10:59AM
Rick said...
Gotta disagree with you. "Dogma" was Smith's last hurrah and since then he seems to have passed on from hardening of the ideas. Superman was brilliant to some, boring to you and others; but to say that all his stories (or Spider-Man or Batman etc.) have been told is a cop-out by those writers who say that and should be working in another profession. Superman, in the comics or the big-screen has had it shares of high and low the last ten years, like everything else. You can write and wont please everyone, but don't whine and say it can't be done.
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2-26-2007 @ 3:24PM
The Jeremy said...
"Rick" sounds like he's an online alias for Bryan Singer and/or his "Wonder Twins" screenwriting pair. Face it, your movie got showed up by the generally hokey *Smallville* television series and thus was rejected by the general public. Time to move onto something not involving iconic comic characters and leave the serious comic book to film adaptations to the real talents...those being Sam Raimi and Christopher Nolan.
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2-26-2007 @ 4:54PM
Kevin Smith said...
Um... I wasn't whining. It's just jokes, folks. Jesus. Homeboy had it in the first line: "There's no question that Kevin Smith knows how to work a room--" I'm up there, entertaining (or at least trying to entertain), not baring my soul. Someone asked a comic-book convention-type question ("Which famous character would you kill?") and I went with Superman. Only a comic-book convention-type moron would read this story as me suggesting an iconic character beloved the world over ACTUALLY be killed off. It's not "a cop-out of the highest order!", you dope; it's just horsing around on stage to wring a few cheap laughs out of a ridiculous idea (the leitmotif of my entire career).
This, however, will always put a smile on my face: "As a successful screenwriter myself..."
I mean, who talks like that in the read world? If you're truly successful at anything, you never lead with a naked ego-defense like that. It's akin to "I'm successful. Really. I swear. My Mom told me I am."
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2-26-2007 @ 5:52PM
Snoopy said...
I can't believe what I'm reading....
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2-26-2007 @ 7:43PM
Marcelo Abans said...
Who know that all the successful screenwriters were busy commenting cinematical.com rather than writing other successful screenplayers.
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2-26-2007 @ 6:39PM
Lenze said...
I can't believe that so many people are so stupid to bad mouth one of the most brilliant writers and directors of our time!! Sure he doesn't go for the big movies that all the society conforming fucks like you all would go see but his films are brilliant nonetheless. If people would pull their heads out of their asses and view his movies for what they are and how they should be viewed maybe he would get the respect he deserves!!!!!!!!!
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2-26-2007 @ 6:41PM
Millennia said...
"As a successful screenwriter myself" That is like when some Italian guy asks if you know who he is? If you really are someone, you don't feel the need to try to convince everyone else of it. You people really need to lighten up. And Superman Returns was so boring.
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2-26-2007 @ 7:01PM
Sofia said...
Oh you"successful screenwriters", your visions are so fogged by what you think are brilliant ideas for films, you fail to see anyone elses brilliant ideas. Yea Kevin Smith has a lot of potty mouth humor in his movies, but if you weren't such stuck-up snobs, you'd be able to look past that and see that his movies are actually incredibly thoughtful and relate to real-life situations. The man is not only brilliant, but he is genuinely nice and a wonderful movie critic. And let me tell you, most "successful screenwriters" would KILL to work with the actors and actresses Mr. Smith has worked with. The View Askewniverse was such an amazing comedic idea and my respect and love goes out to Smith. Thank you for hours and hours of entertainment, sir.
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2-27-2007 @ 3:27PM
Tom said...
Kevin Smith is a brilian screen writer and director. I was at the NY comic-con and he really can work a room. Yes some of it is banter but it made me laugh my ass off. Superman Returns was boaring as shit. I agree that Superman has had his run. He has been killed off and come back but other characters should get a chance to rise. I would really like to know who Rick is and what "successfull screenwriting" he has done.
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2-26-2007 @ 7:28PM
Chris said...
I find it tragic that people on the web must always "flame". Whether I agree with Smith or disagree, to tout and "pout" yourself on his blog or an article about him is really just for self edification.
These rants about who is more of the artist is pretty lame. Smith, as he has always said is the master of "Dick and Fart" jokes. He admits he is constantly amazed that his stuff is so popular. While other in the industry can't reason why people don't sell their poo-poo on ebay.
Every time i watch Smith make a comment about another directors piece, IT IS ALWAYS taken out of context. Either positive or negative. Sometime you (esp the blogger and reporters) must understand that some people say things to get a reaction or a laugh. Others do it to make people think and reflect. If I were to a guess it would be for the first reason why Smith makes these comments.
I still think "flaming" other online is moronic, why. Same reason why I think ROCHAMBO is a stupid game.
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2-26-2007 @ 10:34PM
JDack said...
Frankly, I think the biggest problem with situations like this one, is that Kevin Smith is pretty much just a regular dude, (albeit a hilarious one and IMO a great writer) not a "celebrity" type person. I really don't think he spends a lot of time pre-sanitizing his comments or opinions in order to appease the "sensitive ears of the rest of the world," like most other celebrity types. A regular dude like the rest of us. We'd probably all get scorned just as bad if we ever got a chance to have the world hear our opinions in such a way.
Oh yeah, and Rick, if you're a successful screenwriter, name us something you wrote. Just one thing will do. A flick, show, play, something? 'Cause you know, you didn't give a last name but, I have a feeling way more people have heard of Smith than you.
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2-27-2007 @ 12:14AM
Mike said...
As a successful message board post writer, I've got to say that I've seen Kevin do one of his Q&A sessions in person and a ton of it (seemingly) is hyperbole to make the stories that much crazier and entertaining. I do agree with him that Ben Affleck should play Jaws in the next sequel though.
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2-27-2007 @ 1:42AM
The Addict said...
Have any of the nay-sayers actually seen Smith's "Evening With" flicks? Dude's up there just trying to entertain people. When's the last time any of you dudes wrote/directed/produced/edited etc. a flick, let alone one that's grossed anywhere close to the budget of his first movie ($27,000). People always bitch about the successful ones, when they haven't had a thing to do with the industry they're bitching about.
Kevin's got a lot of talent, appeals to an entire generation of film geeks, so if he's not your thing, that's cool. However, don't go after a man's career, trying to bring him down by calling him a "'successful screenwriter'" if that's what he actually is.
Kevin, if you're still reading the comments to this thing, can't wait to see you on Friday in Akron; I've been looking forward to seeing you do a Q&A since before the first "Evening" DVD came out.
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2-27-2007 @ 2:06AM
Mason said...
Smith is a really funny guy. The man can tell a story -- just not on the page on anymore. His "Evening with Kevin Smith" DVDS are great. But he hasn't made a good movie in a really long time. As a fan of the guy, it's disappointing. He's not pushing himself at all. Yeah, Jersey Girl tanked but I at least respected what he was trying to do -- to make a movie for some people outside the View Askew universe. Clerks 2... well, I couldn't even get through it. It was lazy, lazy, lazy filmmaking.
And as far as Superman goes, well I was shocked by how bad his draft of the script was. The stories he tells about Jon Peters and Burton are hilarious but at the end of the day, Smith's script was as bad as any they developed.
I think his real future lays in acting. Seriously. He's a natural.
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2-27-2007 @ 3:13AM
Jonathan said...
Wow I never realized how many people were so stupid when it came to great TV. Kevin Smith is funny and entertaining. Has anyone read any of his Comics? His movies are great, granted they won't teach you anything other than which is better Empire or Return, but the point being missed is that his movies are entertaining, money-making, and genius.
Some of you just need to go to your room, and burn your keyboards, or at least break all your fingers.
Superman Returns, if you watch it, don't think about prior events it's pretty darn good. Then we comic and movie freaks dissect it and what do you have? Garbage, pure boring, insulting garbage. Casting? Horrible. (aside from roth, and Spacey) Plot? OMG can we get anymore retarded?
Mr. Smith is right can we lay Superman and Spiderman to rest? Can we please see some of Robert Kirkman's writing on the big screen, or some of the new talent out there? Also who in there right mind can say if superman dies so does the comic industry? I for one would rather read Bluntman and Cronic rather than most of the crap coming out of DC. DC is a sinking ship, smallville is the only thing keeping it afloat. Marval is the flagship of comics but lets see some Image titles out there huh? I think Kirkman's "Invincible" would blow Superman out of the water, What a great read and his back story? Much better than "Clark Kent"
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2-27-2007 @ 10:52AM
Rick said...
"Rick" here again. Great to see I've gotten so many knickers in a snit. You are right to say that my lead-in when read by the minnions could sound kind've lame. It didn't look that way on paper as I was including myself (and rightfully so) in a field that I believe is the ULTIMATE creative art form, story-telling and was relating to my particular line of work. Mistake, my bad; I'll move on. Now, the gals and guys at ViewAskew go gagga over anything Kevin does, but he really hasn't done anything interesting since "Dogma." Consistant folks like: William Goldman, Akiva Goldsman, Lawrence Kasdan, Steven Soderbergh, the late Jeffrey Boam, William Monahan, Woody Allen, Frank Darabont, Spike Lee, Nora Ephron and I could list on and on ad-naseum have catalogues of work that defines what story-telling is about. Bottom line is, as I have stated, sadly, when it comes to film-making; Smith has died from "hardening of the ideas" and when he resurrects himself with a really good or better yet DECENT film, I and others will flock to see it. Untill then, maybe when Conan moves on to the Tonight Show, Kevin can have his job....Strike up the theme-song!
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2-27-2007 @ 11:07AM
Tony K said...
As a successful Kevin Smith fan . . . Clerks 2 was his best piece of work to date. I'm going to take crap for this too, but I think his second best film is Jersey Girl. Maybe its because I became a father for the first time when I fist saw the flick. But what he did in that movie is beautiful, hands down.
As far as Superman, watch An Evening With Kevin Smith. His story about dealing with Peters lays out all the restrictions he had to work around. And then Burton comes on and wants to do his own thing, I wouldn't call that a slant on Smith's writing.
Kevin Smith is a great entertainer, and his Q&As are better than most big budget movies that come out yearly. his movies may not be your cup of tea, but no need to slam the man like you did.
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