Cinematical Seven: Tips For Spielberg and Lucas As They Embark On 'Indy 4'
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Next summer, we will all be getting notices informing us that we are required to 'keep up with the Joneses' once more. It's a task I'm more than a little ambivalent about undertaking. Pretty much every fiber of my being tells me that this fourth outing is a superfluous experiment in age-defying boomerism, and doesn't have the interest of fans at heart. Harrison Ford, George Lucas and Steven Spielberg think they can do everything they did twenty years ago, and if they are proven wrong, it won't be any skin off their backs. They'll only have dumped yet another mediocre product onto the fans, as they've done over and over recently. If I was the mayor of show business, I would simply order this whole production shut down until further notice -- and this is coming from someone who, as an 11-year old, actually snuck a real whip into the theater to see Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade.
No, there's nothing I can do to stop 'Indy 4' from happening, but there's one thing I can do-- type up a bunch of suggestions that no one even tangentially related to the production will ever possibly read. Following these suggestions would at least help the creative team avoid some of their most probable errors -- the ones that we can all see coming from a mile away. So without further ado, here are some things that Spielberg and Lucas should keep in mind as they set out to tinker with my childhood, and none of them have anything to do with Shia LaBeouf, by the way. I have no idea what he's supposed to be doing in the film, but I'm willing to give him a chance. Okay, onto the list.
1. Go through David Koepp's script right now and cut out the age jokes. You know the ones I'm talking about. The one at the very beginning, where we see the 50s' bobby soxers sitting at their desks with legs crossed, looking dreamy-eyed toward the chalk-board -- then we see it's some young, non-Indy professor they're eyeballing, and we cut to Ol' Man Jones back in his office going through old scrolls or something. Cut that joke out. Also, go to page 42 and cut out the line where Indy says "It's not the mileage, honey, it's the years." No, I haven't laid eyes on any 'Indy 4' script, but you and I both know those jokes are in there -- how could they not be? Age is such an obvious issue/potential problem this time around that I don't have faith that it can be handled well, so let's just avoid it completely. Don't take Indiana's self-deprecating humor too far -- it works best in small doses. Don't lean on that crutch.
2. Don't hire Gong Li, like you might be thinking about, unless you're really going to use her well. You really hit a homerun with Cate Blanchett -- that was an unexpected piece of good casting (yeah, I know, if it's really happening) and re-invigorated my interest in the project. With the right script, Cate could really give the kind of '40s dame' performance she was supposed to give in The Good German, but didn't. She could be believable as a fellow archaeologist, a dead-ending Nazi, a true-believer Commie, or even a Jones. But Gong Li? I don't know why, but I just have a bad feeling about that one. With movies like X2, there seems to be a trend forming where Asian beauties are given the part of tag-along evil-doers who do a little seducing before they get thrown down into the pit or whatever. Unless Gong is playing Gong Round, or Lao Che's revenge-seeking daughter, or a new and substantial character, I'd probably rather not see her in this film, because I just have a feeling she'd be given a throwaway role.
3. Don't bend over backwards to get Sean Connery back. Anyone who reads Cinematical must know that I'm a big James Bond fan, and I dig Connery's interpretation of Bond more than any of the others. I have a soft spot for all things Connery, even his 'I-lost-$10 trillion-turning-down-Gandalf-and-I'm-officially-retired-because-my-recent-movies-stink-and-it's-allright-to-give-a-woman-a-slap-now-and-then' personality. All that said, you and I both know that Last Crusade was the least of the trilogy -- er, quadriology -- and Connery's role, while fun, doesn't need to be rehashed. Let's just remember the good times with Henry Jones Sr. and accept that sometime after they rode out of that pass, he fell off his horse and died. If he does come back, it should only be a limited bone to throw to the fans, and not a big sidecar role. Ditto for Sallah, Short Round, Australian Climber, Panama Hat or anyone else. In fact, ditto for anyone except Marion Ravenwood, who I'd like to see have a major role.
4. Call back Frank Darabont, or some other good writer, and have them do an extensive re-write on David Koepp's script. Again, no, I haven't seen the script, but I've simply never seen a film written by Koepp where afterwards I thought "Wow, how about that dialogue?" "Catch those unexpected plot twists?" "How did he pull out that ending?" I've never had anything close to those thoughts. I nearly fell asleep in my seat during the crashing bore known as Spider-Man 2 [the 2 was a typo -- meant to say 1, obviously]. Are you nostalgic for Jurassic Park's script? Me neither. I don't even think there was dialogue during War of the Worlds. Let's get pro-active on this one and assume that the script is flat, predictably paint-by-numbers and at best, a gentleman's C+, and have someone save it now, before it's too late. How about William Monahan? Christopher McQuarrie? Shane Black? David Mamet? There are plenty of good people out there who know how to sharpen up genre like a Ka-Bar and I would hate to think they'd be kept out of the process because of unfounded pride.
5. This one is too late for them to do anything about, since production is about to begin, but try not to cannibalize popular mythology. I don't give a shit about Noah's Ark, and I can't think of anything more ridiculous than Indiana Jones looking for it. Ditto for Atlantis, the Fountain of Youth, the Garden of Eden, Jesus' hankerchief or any other legend that involves a known quantity. I liked the fact that, at the beginning of Raiders, Indy and his adversaries were after a tiny golden statue that the rest of the world probably wouldn't pick up if they saw it sitting on the street. And in Temple of Doom -- my personal favorite of the three -- he was honest-to-god trying to find potato-shaped rocks. The only information we have about the 'Indy 4' MacGuffin is Lucas's statements from August 2006, when he told Empire Magazine that it was potentially "offensive" and originally too "connected" for Spielberg, which makes me think it might have something to do with the Holocaust.
6. Wrap it up this time, no fooling. That could mean Indy dying, which could work, or him simply besting one last villain and then signaling to the audience that he's hanging up his fedora. This shouldn't be difficult. There's thankfully no chance of the series pulling a "Data" -- i.e., Star Trek: Nemesis wasted an entire subplot on introducing a new Data so that they could kill Data, consequence-free -- but I can still see an attempt at finality going off in some bad directions. Lucas has made rumblings in the past about wanting to include a significant 'Young Indy' component in the fourth film, presumably so that the series can continue without Harrison Ford. That's all well and good, but save it all up for the next film, and let it rise or fall on its own merit -- don't make me watch a 30-minute commercial for Young Indy before the real action gets going here. Unless Lucas has somehow invented next-generation, all-purpose, photo-realism CGI and he can convincingly bring back River Phoenix for another Young Indy prologue, just skip the Young Indy stuff. By the way, that's how long ago Last Crusade was, people -- River Phoenix was the young up-and-comer.
7. Speaking of CGI, let's limit it substantially or ban it from the production all-together. Yes, CGI is just like any other tool in the filmmaker's toolbox, open to either creative use or misuse, but George Lucas is a misuser. An abuser. When I first heard that unsourced British tabloid rumor about him wanting to use CGI for Indy's whip this time around, I knew immediately that it was true. It stunk of Lucas. I'm appealing to Spielberg personally here -- trust that little voice in your head that tells you 'Indy 4' shouldn't be a CGI extravaganza. Limit yourself to the tools that were available in say, 1989, and stick to those. Call it tying one hand behind your back if you want -- a creative challenge. In Temple of Doom, you dropped Indy out of a plane and into roaring rapids, all without the use of CGI. If you could do that then, you don't need CGI now. Indy is an analog kind of guy, and there's something terribly disheartening about imagining him doing his thing in front of a greenscreen.










Reader Comments (Page 1 of 2)
3-18-2007 @ 10:23PM
WHAT? said...
TRUE!
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3-18-2007 @ 10:25PM
Fred Philbie said...
David Koepp didn't write SPIDER-MAN 2. He wrote the first SPIDER-MAN.
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3-18-2007 @ 10:35PM
Fred Philbie said...
And TEMPLE OF DOOM was your personal favorite of the three? With that revelation, I'm afraid you've ruined any chance that your advice here will be taken seriously.
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3-18-2007 @ 11:08PM
Chris said...
LOL! SO TRUE about Lucas and CGI!
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3-18-2007 @ 11:41PM
Fred Philbie said...
I see you've gone back and corrected #4 on your list -- removing the "2" at the end of "SPIDER-MAN 2" (which Koepp didn't write) so that you're now just ripping on SPIDER-MAN (which Koepp DID write). The question now is, did you really think the first SPIDER-MAN was "a crashing bore?" I'd say it was the better of the two. Hoping SPIDEY 3 and INDY 4 are the best yet.
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3-19-2007 @ 2:14AM
AJ MacReady said...
All I know is this: Ryan Stewart, chill the hell out. Let's see what there is to see before we freak out. As an Indy fan since I was 6 years old, I would like to believe all will be well. And Koepp can't write a decent script? Are you retarded? I'm not going to run down his hits (unlike you did with his misses) but the man is VERY talented. Like you would be if you only wrote something of value. Prick. OH, and by the way, if you were paying attention you'd know that Darabont can't write the script, since he already turned one in that Lucas turned down, that KILLED Darabont - as he spent 2 years of his life to be pissed on by Lucas as "not good enough." So good luck with that, loser.
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3-19-2007 @ 12:02PM
Hobojoe said...
Very entertaining post! I'm just not excited about this one for many of the reasons Ryan listed above. Lucas just isn't a filmmaker anymore (more of a fiddler), and Spielberg's films have lost their magic too. Only recent film of his I liked was Catch Me If You Can. The rest have been severely flawed, with only a few set pieces to set them apart (AI, Minority Report, Munich, War of the Worlds, etc.).
Oh yeah, I LOVE it when people write to tell others to "chill out," and then go off on some ridiculous, insulting diatribe.
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3-19-2007 @ 5:02AM
Peter said...
Nothing wrong with some preemptive fan criticism, it is why blogs like this exist in the first place. No clue as to why people are complaining - agree or not - it is still good writing. You completely nailed an all-to-possible opening shot, so much so that I was convinced you actually had read the thing.
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3-19-2007 @ 6:37AM
Daniel Vella said...
Last Crusade was the best of the three :)
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3-19-2007 @ 6:39AM
James Clarke said...
I wonder if perhaps the age aspect of the Indy Four storyline might really elevate the material rather than diminish it and there is no reason yet to expect a run of staid jokes around the subject. Yes, we all crave that earthy Indy action and adventure but the The Last Crusade worked so affectingly because of the interplay of humour and sentiment. I wonder too if the influence of action as staged in Saving Private Ryan might evidence itself in Janusz Kaminski's camerawork. Will he look to rekindle the visual style of Douglas Slocombe I wonder ? Re: David Koepp's screenplay: his writing for Stir of Echoes (which he also directed) and War of the Worlds seem to me useful evidence of a writer who can satisfy the need to combine genre necessities with believable, quieter moments.
A few years ago Spielberg, as I recall, referenced the film Robin and Marian (Sean Connery and Audrey Hepburn) as a model as to how to approach the story of a hero growing old. Then too there is the example of Sam Peckinpah's wonderful 'old man' western, Ride the High Country. Personally, I have been keen on seeing Indy ride one last time and I hope they really play up the character's aging and I have every faith that the filmmakers will do it with good judgement.
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3-19-2007 @ 7:33AM
Roscoe said...
How about the single most important piece of advice that Lucas and Spielberg could get about this project:
Don't do it. There is nothing, not at all, to be gained from this undoubted horror. Everyone concerned is far wealthy enough. This franchise is DEAD, let it rot in peace. Please come to your senses. Spare us all the atrocity that can only result in INDY 4.
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3-19-2007 @ 9:09AM
Daniel Robert Epstein said...
1. have you ever read a Koepp script or seen a movie of his that wasn’t rewritten by a half a dozen writers (at least!)
2. the stereotype where Asian women are played as villainess goes back a bit farther than X2 (what a joke). It goes back to Asian villainess in the vintage comic strip "Terry and the Pirates and all the variations on “Dragon Ladies.”
3. I agree on the Connery bit, I hate that third movie
4. Another written by committee movie, Spider-Man, is referenced
5. the best and most revered film of the series, Raiders, has Indy chasing after a known quantity. Therefore it is obvious the same idea will be used.
6. Yeh because Spielberg is always ready to kill a franchise, do you want Indy to turn to the camera and say “Goodnight sweet prince” and then amble off to the retirement home? DUHHHHHHHHHH
7. How about CGI which is used to enhance production and remove stunt wires and roll bars? Should they ban that as well?
Your article is uninformed and a joke.
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3-19-2007 @ 1:19PM
Das_Klaun said...
Amen, brother, for standing up for the vastly underrated Temple Of Doom! I'm afraid I can't say it's my favorite of the three (Raiders, for me, remains not onlhy my favorite Indy film but my favorite Spielberg flick), but it's definitely a great adventure, with a solid story and characters, and moments of both genuine terror and genuine heart. Last Crusade was well-made, but was loaded with too many campy moments, with characters acting like buffoons for cheap laughs.
Unfortunately, while I hope Spielberg heeds your advice, my fear is that it'll be something like "an aging Indy goes on a quest for the fountain of youth, only to discover that you're as young as you feel," or some such.
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3-19-2007 @ 1:26PM
toby tyler said...
How can you write such smart comments and then at the same time say Temple of Doom was your favorite.
I rank Temple of Doom right up there with Return of the Jedi and Alien3. As a fan you have to watch them, but somebody should pay me for my time wasted.
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3-19-2007 @ 3:37PM
Pop Culture Pessimist said...
What an entertaining article! Def spot on with the "Look at Indy, so quaintly old" angle. Unfortunately, however, this blog renders itself an indulgent trifle by not at all mentioning the absolutely positively most unimpeachable, unassailable constant in any good Indy saga:
NAZIS!!
Swarms of them! All menacing and blue eyed and blonde, with tanks and evil designs of global Aryan domination and everything adorned with that horrible haken cruz...
Why do you think IJ:ToD sucked? The production crew must have been so very disheartened...what's Indy fighting for, if not to thwart Hitler? You've already lost this argument, people; Spielberg was so conciliatory he had Indy get Adolf's John Hancock fer Pete's sake...
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3-19-2007 @ 6:36PM
Andrew said...
Fantastic post! Every single point rings so true. Let's hope Speilberg or Lucas is reading...
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3-19-2007 @ 5:40PM
Akbar Fazil said...
Hey Pop Culture Pessimist...
How the heck is Indy going to fight against Nazis if this film is supposed to take place in the 50s?
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3-19-2007 @ 5:52PM
Pop Culture Pessimist said...
Good question. Simple, logical answer...
If (Nazi threat = 0), then: do not make new Indy movie!
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3-19-2007 @ 5:58PM
Pop Culture Pessimist said...
Hmmm...Plan B...there's gotta be some Neo-Nazi faction somewhere he can fight.
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3-19-2007 @ 7:30PM
David said...
The fact that Temple of Doom was your favorite movie immediately puts in to question both your taste and creditability. Most of this article can be discounted to the ravings of (an apparently uninformed in some cases) madman.
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