'Spider-Man 4' Villains Will Be Carnage and Lizard, Source Says
Filed under: Action, Sci-Fi & Fantasy, Sony, Comic/Superhero/Geek, Remakes and Sequels
If you're a serious Spider-Man fan, you've probably been wondering when the producers were gonna dust off Dylan Baker and FINALLY let him become the super-villain we've all been waiting for. Yes, newbies, the one-armed college professor who appears in all three Spider-Man films (for about 90 seconds at a time) is the guy who eventually gets turned into man-sized Lizard with a true hatred for Spider-Man. I'm assuming Sam Raimi wedged the character into the first two films, hoping to deliver a pay-off in Spider-Man 3, but I guess that flick was just too damn cluttered with other baddies.According to one source, not only will Baker finally become The Lizard in Spider-Man 4, but we'll also have to contend with a certain villain known as Carnage. Spider-Man 4 would have to go a little bit "darker" than its predecessors to accurately capture the Carnage story, which focuses on a serial killer called Cletus Kasady who comes into contact with some of Eddie Brock's "symbiote" goo while they're both stuck in prison. (Connors, on the other hand, becomes Lizard after injecting himself with reptilian DNA in an effort to re-grow his missing arm.)
FreezeDriedMovies.com claims that these scoops come from the same source that gave them the Venom scoop a while back, so hopefully both villain reports are accurate. Apparently there's also talk of getting Black Cat into the Spider-Man 4 mix, because if a record-breaking opening weekend tells you one thing, it's that you can never have too many villains in your Spidey sequels. (Perhaps we'll get some of the goofier villains -- Rhino, Vulture, Electro, Kraven the Hunter -- in Spider-Man 5.) Plus, wasn't there a set-up for the Man-Wolf villain in Spider-Man 2? I can hardly keep track at this point.










Reader Comments (Page 1 of 14)
5-05-2007 @ 8:10PM
Ray said...
Actually, although there's a reference to Connors in the first one, he doesn't appear until Spiderman 2.
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5-05-2007 @ 9:41PM
kaitlin hess said...
Jessica Simpson for Black Cat in Spidey 4!
She has the face , the body.....the acting talent, well....I'm sure she can't sink the franchise at this point!
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5-05-2007 @ 9:32PM
Ian McFarland said...
No way guys. There's not a drop of validity to this story, Raimi hasn't even started to consider if he's in it for part four; and should he decide to ditch the series, Columbia hasn't even found a screenwriter yet.
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5-05-2007 @ 10:08PM
Tom said...
David Koepp is currently writing Spiderman 4 script, so the story could be true.
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5-06-2007 @ 12:59AM
Josh said...
I believe Kingpin, Lizard, and Carnage will be the next villains. But... I know that Connor still has some of the Symbiote of Venom, so unless that Connor agrees to give it to someone or has it stolen from him (Which I doubt)Carnage may not be in it. Lizard, is Connor, who tries to regrow his arm with the help of reptilian DNA, and Kingpin, is one of Spideys greatest enemies in the comics... Kingpin!
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5-06-2007 @ 2:05AM
adrian said...
who would play kingpin what Micheal Clarke Duncan from daredevil gets out of jail and turns his sites to running the crime in new york so does that mean we need a spider-man daredevil thing now.....BUT NO BEN AFFLECK...anyway better go back to basics with 4 the hardcore fans are not fans of three so far so if your going to do something to win them back COME ON SONY BLOW OUR *$&@*$^ MINDS
good night good citizens
oh and jessica simpson as black cat hmm how about someone who can actually act.... 5 names Mischa Barton, Jessica Biel, Scarlett Johansson, Rachel McAdams, Linda Cardellini
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5-06-2007 @ 5:13AM
Sam said...
I seriously doubt they would go darker and put Carnage into the mix...The likeliness of them even doing a 4th movie regardless of the villians is low anyways.
But if they did make a 4th, no way would they have carnage. They want to keep it a mostly childrens movie.
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5-06-2007 @ 9:06AM
joseph madden said...
sorry,but though i would like the lizard in spidy 4 it would be stupid because the lizard is in spider man 3 game so it would be abit weird to explain his origins again with a newer game and movie.carnage would make ALOT of sence cause venom was in spider man 3 and they probably will continue the storie
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5-06-2007 @ 9:07AM
joseph madden said...
isnt it a bit weird to say that the series is a childs movie?cos i mean,its a 12 or 12A and venom was in spiderman 3.and when harry gets his glider blades stuck through him(kinda like his dad)that would be frightning for a child and carnage in the cartoon series barly killed any1 so i think if they keep to death limits it'd be good for kids.
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5-06-2007 @ 11:38AM
Spidey-4 said...
Venom will make a comeback in Spider-man 4 as Eddie Brock once again, since he didn't die in 3. We will see Venom as a greater nemesis in 4, the introduction of Lizard, aka Dr. Conners, and character set-up for Carnage. The character set-up for Carnage will be similar in most respects to the set-up of Venom in 3.
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5-06-2007 @ 7:32PM
Sixerman7 said...
@7 What are you talking about? The likelihood of a fourth movie is low?! It's been confirmed by both Raimi and Sony. It is true that Raimi and Maguire might not be involved. Sony has said that they are making it anyway.
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5-06-2007 @ 7:37PM
vacelts said...
What's a better way of keeping a franchise alive than promoting the sequel during the premier of the movie.
I like how the idea that the Lizard is someone we've seen before.
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5-07-2007 @ 12:34AM
lizardfreak said...
I have a theory pertaining to the villains mentioned above:
Let's say that Sony finds a way to turn Curt Connors into Lizard. He morphs the small bit of alien symbiote left into a redder, deadlier form than before. Meanwhile, Cletus Kasady rots in jail, bitter about his encounter with Spider-Man that left him there. Lizard breaks him out and convinces him to become the "host" to the new red symbiote. Thus, Carnage is formed, and Spidey must stop Lizard before his new creation is unleashed upon the city. It's brilliant.
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5-07-2007 @ 9:00AM
Jonathan said...
I'd vote for Spidey 4 but after a bunch of other Marvel movies come out. You don't need a reboot, but jump ahead a bunch of years when Peter was not involved with MJ. Do a Black Cat, Lizard, King Pin whatever. Just get a new director, screenwriter and cast.
Jake Glyenhall is obvious as Parker/Spiderman.
Eva Mendes from Ghost Rider would be a great Black Cat.
I'd want a BIGGER King Pin than Michael Clarke Duncan (wider maybe, not taller).
And a director who won't cave in to the studio.
If Spidey 4 does happen, who would you want to see in it and directing?
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5-07-2007 @ 10:35AM
Joseph J. Finn said...
Black Cat isn't a villain. More of an anti-hero.
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5-07-2007 @ 11:40AM
joseph madden said...
hey,didnt any1 read my comment?the lizard is in spiderman 3 game so it'd be a bit stupid to put him in spider man 4 movie and game.
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5-07-2007 @ 1:24PM
Peter Parker said...
Vulture was slated to be in Spiderman 3 and they even did some costume tests with him, before pushing him out of the film for Venom. Could have been interesting, maybe they will use him in 4...
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5-07-2007 @ 3:51PM
I. I. Iameson said...
#8 & #16 - Stop being naive. Videos games have no bearing on what the movie execs decide to do with movies. They are considered an advertising/merchandizing gimmick. So who cares if Lizard is in game #3? Video games rarely have a string of continuity that follow through them anyway.
As for the actual topic at hand... Of course they are going to make Spidey 4. It might be dismal, but it would still make a bunch of money. I would love to see Lizard, Rhino and Carnage, but I believe that Venom is truly gone and it would be cheap to bring him back so there will probably never be a Carnage.
Sam Rami and the cast are saying they might not be back so they can get more money for the next movie. I think Tobie was good for the first Spider-Man Movie, when he was a nerd in high school, but the movies would be better now if they replaced him. Who would you pick?
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5-08-2007 @ 6:11PM
ivan said...
ok so did venom died ? i think he did
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5-08-2007 @ 1:31PM
joseph madden said...
shut up Iamson.carnage has more chance being in spiderman 4 than the lizard
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