Cinematical Seven: Ways They Could Have Made 'Spider-Man 3' Better
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I saw Spider-Man 3 Saturday night. It was a total mess, but the visuals were incredible, the fight scenes were thrilling, and I enjoyed enough of the film to make it worth my time. Still, it occurred to me on the way home that with a few simple changes, the film could have been a superhero classic. And
Before we begin, please know that I'm not a die-hard Spidey fan. The first two Spider-Man films were entertaining enough, but I forgot them immediately afterward. I know when you read that heading you probably thought this article would consist of complaints like "Why didn't they do such-and-such with the character of Venom like they did in Issue #231 of blah-blah-bloo?" But that's not me. This article comes from the point of view of an average guy with no knowledge of comic books who went into Spider-Man 3 with no expectations. Here's what I would have changed to make the movie more entertaining to me. SPOILERS AHEAD!
1) Kill Mary Jane in the opening scene
The Uncle stuff is played out, Peter needs something new to be upset about. And I used to love Kirsten Dunst, but now she "acts" her scenes like she can't wait for someone to yell "Cut!" so she can go and make out with one of The Strokes. Are we really supposed to believe that Peter would choose Dunst's dehydrated, negative, miserable Mary Jane over Bryce Dallas Howard's pants-explodingly hot, upbeat, and cheerful Gwen Stacey? Mary Jane is a terrible girlfriend! She spends the entire film whining about her lackluster singing abilities to a guy who spends his time keeping the city free from evil! She's dull, she's pouty, and she participates in elaborate Chubby Checker-scored cooking/dancing/infidelity montages with James Franco! Dump her!
2) Have your villains get upset before the last twenty minutes roll around
A no-brainer. I can't recall seeing a movie where the villains decided "You know, maybe we should kill the hero" so late in the game. The Sandman appeared to be thinking about what to have for dinner for most of the film. Venom doesn't even enter the picture until the last third. It's screenwriting 101, especially in a movie of this kind. By the end of Act One, you better be damn sure your audience knows who the antagonist is, and what your hero is up against. Nobody seems to have clear motives here. All the characters are confused and conflicted and don't really know who they want to kill and why or if they even want to. That's fine for a Scorsese film, but this is Spider-Man, people!
3) More J.K. Simmons and Bruce Campbell
In the few moments of screen time given to each of these fantastic character actors, they charged the movie with an energy that nearly all of the other actors lacked. As a huge Oz fan, it's always a little jarring to see J.K. Simmons in other roles – I kept expecting him to sexually assault Peter Parker. But once I got past that, the guy was hilarious. And Bruce Campbell's champagne back-and-forth in the restaurant was pure gold. Truth be told, Campbell should have played The Sandman. He certainly would have brought more life to it than Thomas Haden Church -- who must have thought he was playing the Sandman who puts kids to sleep.
4) Cut all scenes with Aunt May
Toot toot! Next stop, Snoozeville! Good Lord! I understand that Aunt May gives Peter his moral guidance and all that crap, but this old broad grinded the movie to a screeching halt every time she appeared on screen. That story of how her marriage proposal went down was like watching beige paint dry. Her voice is laced with Sominex. I hate to be insensitive, but no action movie should feature several lengthy scenes of the hero having deep conversations with an elderly woman.
5) Have a little fun with the character names
Yeah, the changes would have ticked off the fan base, but I think two great opportunities were missed here. A) When Peter Parker is in "Black Spiderman" mode, he should be referred to as "Peter Darker." B) Instead of Flint Marko, The Sandman's alias should be "Sandy Beachington."
6) More Peter Darker
From the reviews I've read, it is clear that people hate the scenes in which Peter's nasty side takes over. My favorite Indiana Jones film is Temple of Doom, so this is coming from a guy who loves seeing the hero turn evil -- but I just wanted more. Tobey Maguire is something of a void in these films. It's the same problem with Clark Kent, the character is almost too good, and therefore kinda boring. Having Peter become a cocky bastard is just what the series – and Maguire - needs at this point, and I wish they'd explored that a bit more. As for the dancing scenes that caused such an outrage in early screenings, I loved 'em. I don't really understand complaints that the Saturday Night Fever stuff was too ridiculous and unbelievable. Let me get this straight -- you have no issue with a man who gets superpowers from a spider bite, dresses in a red suit, flies through the city, and shoots webs from his wrists – but when he goes to a dance club, then the credibility is strained?
7) Have somebody be just Pure Evil
I like shades of gray in my heroes and bad guys, but in a movie like this, someone has to be an unrepentant Villain with a capital "V." You know, the kind of guy the audience can't wait to see dead. No one filled that role here. Let's just break down this list of so-called "villains."
- Harry Osborn/Goblin Jr. is desperately trying to kill Peter for about ten minutes before he gets amnesia and becomes a total cotton-candy eating sweetheart. Later, he's a jerk again for 10 minutes and then he's teaming up with Peter to fight the bad guys. Pick a side!
- Flint Marko/Sandman is the worst of the lot. He killed Peter's uncle? Sweet, there's a reason to kill him! Oh, but wait – it was an accident. He's just misunderstood. And sad. Oh, and he loves his daughter! He was doing it all for money to save her life. So...should we be cheering against Peter trying to kill him? And if so, why is he in this movie? So Marko and Peter can put their differences aside and build Sandman castles somewhere? Lame!
- Eddie Brock/Venom is the closest we've got to a true villain here, but he's more a John Hughes bad guy than a comic book villain. Topher Grace's Brock is smarmy, he's conceited, he doesn't treat his girlfriend with respect -- he's basically James Spader in every 80's movie. But should he be killed for those qualities? When the black gunk transforms Brock into Venom, he's truly nasty and scary. But Raimi makes the choice to have Grace's face constantly popping out from the mask, making wisecracks and reminding you that he's really just your average douche with frosted tips.
Maybe it's refreshing to some, but Spider-Man forgiving, consoling, and rescuing those that are out to destroy him doesn't make for the most satisfactory action flick.
And I haven't even mentioned my disappointment that they didn't use Metallica's "Enter Sandman" in the creation sequence!
Reader Comments (Page 1 of 2)
5-06-2007 @ 8:16PM
William Goss said...
I think Harry should've died after their initial scuffle. Think about it: one less villain, no stupid amnesia, Peter's subsequent guilt over killing him, if not his father.
Would've worked for me.
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5-06-2007 @ 8:39PM
Adam said...
I disagree, I thought that Harry's arc was one of the only decent features to the story. I'll agree he was too sweet once he got that nasty bump, but his villain was the best one of the bunch. Just as mean and ruthless as his daddy, and then he gets redemption, and well, was the only character I was actually interested in for the whole movie.
The more I think about this film, the more frustrated I am about what it could have been, and Harry's Goblin is the only decent non-action aspect to the movie.
And I completely agree about Aunt May, I think I actually did fall asleep during one of her scenes.
I was kinda hoping MJ would die as well, so Peter could get some sweet Gwen Stacy hotness. The Peter Darker wasn't annoying, it was the way they showed it, with a dance number and montage that seemed to want to mock the "Raindrops" number from Spidey 2, instead mostly falling flat by going on too long.
Someone please get Jake Gyllenhaal, switch roles so Dallas Bryce Howard keeps her red hair, grow back Dylan Baker's arm and not dawdle for Spiderman 4.
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5-06-2007 @ 8:44PM
andydreamseeker said...
Good one. Very interesting read.
Thanks Patrick.
3 is not better than 2.
Here's my review:
http://andydreamseeker.blogspot.com/2007/05/movie-review-spider-man-3.html
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5-06-2007 @ 10:10PM
Fred said...
You raise some interesting points, but you lost me completely at the dancing.
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5-06-2007 @ 10:12PM
The Addict said...
Here's two really easy ways to have made this film a lot better:
1) Do not let Sam & Ivan Raimi have the majority of the writing control over a character that has a fifty year legacy behind him. While the Evil Dead flicks are great and I love them, they're not the most intellectually challenging flicks ever made. Ash is a great character, although not a very complex one; Peter Parker on the other hand, especially while wearing the symbiote, is very much complex and a lot more could have been done with him.
2) Split the Venom/Symbiote story into its own movie. A lot more could have been done with the Harry/Green Goblin 2/Hobgoblin storyline than what was done with it in this film. It was something I was looking forward to since the end of the first film, seeing a man turn all the wrath in the world on his best friend. In addition, Venom is a great character, and the symbiote story arc is one of my favorites ever. However, by not devoting an entire movie to a character like Venom, it takes away a lot. If I'm going to watch the Venom story again, it's going to be done in with the Animated Series DVD.
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5-07-2007 @ 1:37AM
The Addict said...
Gross Greg,
While I understand Sam's intentions on the film, intentions don't make good films, but rather good stories do. The script to Spidey 3 was not well written at all and that's where the movie failed. Perhaps if they release an extended edition that will be four hours long, the film may have been done better, but all in all, this film was too rushed and each villain and plot point was not given the attention that it deserved.
Additionally, Ivan Raimi hadn't done anything writing related since Army of Darkness, and even then his only other more recent credit was acting in "Nude Bowling Party" as Joe's assistant. While Sam made two fantastic superhero flicks, the third one fell short, partly due to the fact that Sam gave into the studio's pressure. Like I said, Venom and the symbiote should have been given its own movie, if done at all. The studio knew they'd continue the franchise regardless of if anyone returned, so Venom could have been done in a fourth installment, possibly by a director with more passion and knowledge of the character. Venom became a sidenote character when they (the first-person Venom aspect also bothered me) should have been given the full treatment.
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5-07-2007 @ 4:26AM
Tyler said...
Preach on! What a disappointing bloated slugfest.
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5-07-2007 @ 8:29AM
Becky said...
I like Aunt May,
I disagree with your taste in music and I wouldn't change the names (I figure you were kidding about those).
I totally agree about the weak villains and motivation issues.
I wouldn't kill off Mary Jane. They need her for the happy ending (cue: wedding music)
Otherwise, your review is spot-on.
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5-07-2007 @ 9:20AM
Hank Cazorp said...
The best thing about Spider-man 3 was finding out that Bruce Campbell would be the perfect choice to play Basil Fawlty in Fawlty Towers: The Movie.
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5-07-2007 @ 10:27AM
Pop Culture Pessimist said...
I didn't see Spider-Man 3, but I just caught 2 on television. Just going out on a limb here, I assume that SM3 is just as gay as the first two.
The cartoon was more mature than these idiotic, patronizing movies. Seriously. I can't believe you guys are fawning over that horror hack and the giant crap he took on a beloved Marvel character. Spider-Man PARADE??? Are you EFFING kidding me? He obviously has no clue.
My ten year old brother would probably be offended by this trilogy. Certain things work in the comics that don't work when shot in live action, and vice versa. It's like Raimi purposefully chose the hyperbolic stuff from the comics that wouldn't work in the cinema. For instance, Doc Ock was made for the movies (thats what elevated 2 somewhat). Venom, as well. Sandman? Green Goblin? Not so much.
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5-07-2007 @ 10:43AM
JJ said...
You can't kill MJ every superhero needs the a girl and Gwen Stacy was Spidey's first girlfriend but she is kill by the Green Goblin (tower scene from 1st film, it was supposed to be Gwen, that would have taken care of more guilt for spiderman)Bruce Campbell could not be the Sandman, origionally he was going to be a villian, Mysterio, but they could not work it in quit well yet. I totally agree that Venom should be its own movie, BUT i liked this film, also anyone that thinks that Eddie Brock or Venom are really dead are stupid. Just remember the old comic saying no body no death. Finally the 4th movie which will most likey be with the same cast will be Lizard(Dr. Connors finally turns) and Carnage also Venom since Carnage is the "pure evil" venom. Also Eddie Brock is not an all bad guy and few of the villians in Spiderman are. Carnige is although. Yes a lot of random thoughts.
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5-07-2007 @ 10:57AM
Robb said...
when will spiderman start saying any of the wise cracks?. I hope that the fourth installment includes The Lizard(Dr.Connors, and as a love interest they need to add The Black Cat. Aunt May, only needs to make a cameo appearance from time to time; and no more Uncle Ben.(except on the rice box).
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5-07-2007 @ 12:37PM
Geoff said...
Did anyone else who saw the movie notice that Venom spoke in the singular "ME" and "I"? He always talks in the plural "We" and "US" because there are two of them, Brock and the symbiote. I mean if you're going to half ass write a character like venom you shouldn't put him in at all.
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5-07-2007 @ 12:54PM
dumbass said...
this movie experince was very much like a slush puppy. The first few sips are magical sweet bliss and your like " this is sooo good" "I'm really glad I did this" then BOOM you get a brain freeze induced headache and then all thats left in your cup is a chunk of ice with all the flavor sucked out. THATS SPIDERMAN 3!
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5-07-2007 @ 2:58PM
colin said...
imaginative suggestions. except that using "enter sandman" suggestion. they should have used "mr sandman, bring me a dream..."
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5-07-2007 @ 3:27PM
jccalhoun said...
Here are my suggestions:
1. get rid of the sandman. He looked cool and had some interesting motivation but he didn't need to be in this movie. Put him in 4.
2. Get rid of the singing and/or dancing.
3. get rid of Gwen Stacy. There really wasn't any reason for her to be there. Topher Grace's character would have had enough reason to be mad because Peter Parker cost him his job and embarrassed him. The Gwen Stacy stuff was just unneeded.
4. More Venom, less Topher Grace's head on Venom's body. Having him talk with a normal voice and his stupid bad teeth on Venom's body just didn't work.
Basically if you take out all the unneeded stuff then the movie would have been tighter and much shorter. And possibly not horrible...
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5-07-2007 @ 4:13PM
I. I. Iameson said...
The fact that "Temple of Doom" was your favorite Indiana Jones movie tells a lot about you and make me feel better in completely disagreeing with almost everything you said. I agree that the dancing was painful to watch and that more action sooner would be better, but no Aunt Mae??? Get real. Get a brain. Pick up some source material and realize why Spidey has been so popular for so long.
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5-07-2007 @ 4:32PM
Gross Greg said...
In response to #4 (The Addict):
The movies are meant to be a trilogy. Raimi wants the option to be done directing Spiderman (this has been an understanding since he was contracted for three). The overall arc of the trilogy is the relationship between Parker and Harry. Raimi originally didn't want to include Venom/Symbiote(s) in the film, but he gave in to the studio, who accused him of being selfish for not including the character, a "fan favorite." Raimi gave in, but felt that it would be inconsiderate to introduce a villian without closure in the film, due to the fact that he is unsure about directing the next.
Also, I've got to take the Raimi brothers' backs on this - they've done more for the franchise and films in general than anybody is giving them credit for. Raimi's first Spiderman made possible the resurgence of superhero films. Unfortunately, most of them are terrible. Seriously, every time I hear somebody whine about any of the Spiderman films, I think about how completely friggin' terrible all three of them COULD have been.
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5-07-2007 @ 6:14PM
Blair Mitchelmore said...
"no action movie should feature several lengthy scenes of the hero having deep conversations with an elderly woman."
*cough*Matrix*cough*
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5-07-2007 @ 9:56PM
Frankly J said...
I think we should just be thankful they never used schlocky villians like Rhino! Villian looked brilliant...as Venom. Agreed that the Topher head popping in and out was dumb. Aunt Mae needs to be there!!! It's Aunt-frickin-Mae dude...like said before, check your source material! The rumors for 4 are pretty exciting...and logical! They've totally set up Dr Connors to become Lizard, and they've made that intention clear from the first film. Carnage..I love the character, but dont think its necessary for a movie...lets do like #2 and just focus on 1 villian!
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