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Could Eli Roth please STFU?

Thanks in advance.

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Good for 1408. Torture porn is played. Who cares if R-rated horror is dead, if the PG-13 stuff is better?

Of course Roth is angry that explicit horror might be in trouble - he's a hack and can't do anything that requires even a gram of subtlety. Not that 1408 is necessarily that subtle - a lot of it isn't - but it's certainly a more craftsmanlike work of suspense than Hostel or Saw, which is all about getting perverts jacked up.

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What rock has Roth been hiding under? The vast majority of people want him and all the Roth Torture-porn wanna-bes to go away. Who needs that junk? For that matter they can take Tarantino with them.

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Seems I agree with everyone else. If Roth wants R rated horror to stay, perhaps he should put in some effort and make a good movie for a change.

While I understand that movies that were once given R would probably get lower ratings these days, you only have to look back at The Fog or The Thing to get an impression of how you can do a good R rating without gratuitous torture violence.

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Add me to the list of those who say that torture porn is a genre that deserves to die (figuratively).

Really? How big an audience does Roth and his like think exists for that sort of thing? By pushing the envelope in every new movie the creators of torture porn created their own demise.

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Hopefully badly made R-Rated horror movies will be doomed. 1408 had positive reviews. Hostel: Part II has bad reviews. Not hard to figure out which one people would prefer to see. There's only so much torture movies you can watch.

Rob Zombie's Halloween isn't a good test for R-Rated horror. It's a remake or reimagining or whatever. Some people will avoid it because they despise remakes. Some people just don't like Rob Zombie movies. Too much like Roth, all brutality, no subtlety.

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Gee I’m not sure were to begin here. The biggest reason that I refuse to shell out the money for Evan Almighty was the directors religious rant that was posted here. That was a big turn off. If I really want to be assaulted by a bunch of Jesus freaks I’ll walk into a church. I go to a movie to be entertained not have the religious right shove their god fearing hate down my throat. As for Eli Roth’s rant, Hostel 2 sucked. The first saw freaked me out. The first hostel freaked me out, but everything else is just mindless torture gore for the sake of it. Here’s a tip Roth, if you don’t want to see the R-rated horror movie go, then make a good movie. I personally like a movie made with an adult in mind. I’m personally sick and tired of seeing my beloved franchises sold out to kiddie-fare (alien vs. predator anyone?) So Roth, and the rest of you directors make a GOOD R-Rated film so that I’m not stuck in a room with a bunch of teeny-boppers feeling up and playing with each other while the few adults are trying to watch and becoming amazingly bored with Jeepers Creepers PG.

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As others have implied, there is a difference between "R rated" movies and torture porn. You can have an R rated film that handles violence and/or other mature themes well, and then you can have an R rated film that doesn't.

I'm getting pretty tired of people like Eli Roth lumping all R rated movies in together, be they good or bad. Especially when it's people like Eli himself that are putting them in jeopardy by making crap movies.

Just out of curiousity, is anyone -other- than Eli saying that R rated horror is in trouble?

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To echo what many above have already said, if R-rated horror is in trouble, it's because too many recent R-rated horror movies haven't been very good.

Someone mentioned the good reviews that 1408 received. Another very successful PG-13-rated horror movie, DISTURBIA, also was well-reviewed. Are horror fans suddenly following critics' advice? They might be now, given how many times they've been burned lately.

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Let's not forget that 1408 actually got some pretty darn good reviews all around and Cusack is a pretty good draw for a wide audience. I don't care what the rating is -- if it's a decent flick with a fairly known actor, it's shouldn't be a surprise to pull in those kind of number.

... and also remember that King's name was attached to the project. That's usually a guaranteed 5 mil. There's a reason why Dreamcatchers wasn't a DTV release. Drop his name from the film and it's debuting at Blockbuster.

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Why does "real horror" have to be R-rated? "1408" was much more chilling than either "Hostel" film, which were revolting and not scary. Many of the most frightening movies ever made -- "The Innocents," "The Haunting" (1960) -- would not be rated R by any stretch. Plus as someone noted above, R-rated horror doesn't have to mean torture porn. Roth is trying to create that impression just to rationalize the failure of his own lousy films. Let's see a truly frightening R-rated horror film with an adult story and characters, not meant to titillate teens with videogame-like scenes of grue, and then we'll talk.

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"I go to a movie to be entertained not have the religious right shove their god fearing hate down my throat."

and

"If I really want to be assaulted by a bunch of Jesus freaks I’ll walk into a church."

In the same comment.

Pot. Kettle. Black.

Vic

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@13
No its not, but thanks for your ignorant reply.

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Regardless of the rating, I'm simply sick of endless remakes and sequels. It all gets so repetitive and boring after a while. I love horror films but there's a serious lack of imagination and originality going on in the genre these days.

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