Sydney White: Is it Stereotyping or Not?
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Yesterday, Sydney White director Joe Nussbaum left the following comment on our review of his film:
Ms. Voynar, my name is Joe Nussbaum and I directed Sydney White. I fully respect your opinions about the film. I just wanted to let you know one thing. As a novel approach, the extras casting directors on the movie used real student groups as extras. The marching band is a real college marching band, the ROTC real ROTC, the a capella group, etc. One of the groups of college kids who did a wonderful job helping us out was the University of Central Florida Jewish Student Union. Granted, they were not Hasidic Jews, but they were a Jewish group who I chose to wardrobe as Hasidim in order for the quick identification. I totally respect that you thought this was a bad choice. What I don't appreciate is your attack on the women of the UCF JSU as being "fat and uniformly unattractive." I hope that none of them read this blog. They are who they are (I happen to think they were neither fat nor unattractive - I also spent more time with them than you have as my wife and I had our Passover Seder with them). Perhaps you would have preferred that I had cast models.
I decided to respond to Mr. Nussbaum here on the site, in the hopes of opening up some debate on the issue of stereotyping in films. My response is after the jump ... feel free to weigh in with your own thoughts in the comments.
Hi Joe,
Thanks for clarifying the casting choices you made, I appreciate it. I should have clarified, perhaps, that it was primarily in comparison to the "Greeks" in the film (especially the beautiful blond Kappas) that the Jewish women seemed fat and unattractive (and to be fair, I probably I should have used the word "dumpy" instead of "fat"). I wasn't attacking the women themselves, I was attacking the fact that they were costumed and made up such that it appeared unattractive in comparison to the slinky, sexy Kappas. Kind of how the Omega Mu's in Revenge of the Nerds were all costumed such that they looked like they dressed as bag ladies and had horrible hair and makeup to emphasize that, if they're in the "smart" sorority, they must be ugly and undesirable.
Like the Jewish women who took on the role of Jewish students in your film, those actresses were not unattractive in real life, but they were made up to deemphasize their beauty, and that was, I felt, the case with the Jewish women in your film. Even Charlize Theron, lovely though she is, can be made very effectively to look unattractive by hair, makeup and costuming, as we've seen in a couple of her films. You could have chosen to give them attractive hair and makeup and wardrobe choices that would have emphasized their beauty, but that's not the choice you made. My comment on the Jewish women was a critique of your choices in how you presented them, not of their real-life attractiveness.
Actually, I had a bit in the review about that, that I cut due to space. And I could have also gone off on the other side of it -- that it's also stereotypical that the blond Kappas were all model-thin and gorgeous, and focused way more on fashion and beauty than on the business of being in college (I don't think I saw any of them actually with a textbook outside the classroom scenes, although Rachel was portrayed as intelligent and ambitious) when there are many smart, attractive blond women in college who are not also shallow, Paris Hilton wanna-bes.
Of course I wouldn't have preferred that you used models (if you've read my work consistently you'd know that I loathe films like Bratz, etc, that paint girls and women as perfect Barbie dolls). I've lived the past 13 years in NYC, New Jersey, upstate NY and Seattle, and just recently relocated with my kids back to OKC, where things are considerably less ... diverse, and I suppose I'm feeling sensitive about my kids only being exposed here to stereotypical views of other cultures, including the Jewish community. When we lived in NJ and NY, my oldest daughter (now 22) had many friends who were Jewish, Russian, and Lebanese; in Seattle we lived in an area that was 22% Asian, with lots of Russians, Germans, Hispanics and Scandanavians, and we attended a Tibetan Buddhist monastery.
Here in OKC, my 10YO (who, as I mentioned in my review, was my viewing partner) will not be exposed to as broad a swath of cultures as she would have in other places, and I guess it just struck a nerve with me that the Jewish students she saw in your film came across as such a stereotypical representation. I homeschool my kids, and she's been reading Lois Lowry's Number the Stars and will be reading The Diary of Anne Frank; my grandparents are Holocaust concentration camp survivors from Poland, and it's important to me that, although our family is not Jewish (so far as I know anyhow), my kids understand the horrors of the Holocaust. Part of what allowed the Holocaust to happen, what allowed ordinary people to look away from what was happening to the Jews then, was the stereotyping of a culture.
Before they put Jews in concentration camps, the Nazis were distributing propoganda with cartoonish depictions of Jews with big noses, or caricatured as rats, etc. I'm sure you know all this, and I'm not accusing YOU of being anti-Semetic, I want to make that clear. But it's the stereotypical representations of that culture, like what I saw in your film, that get in the heads of people like I'm surrounded with in Oklahoma, who aren't exposed much to the broader Jewish culture. That in turn contributes to making them think that all Jews are "different." And that, Joe, is what ultimately makes stereotypical representations like those in your film, no matter how well-intentioned, dangerous.
There are ways that would have been less stereotypical in which you could have represented those students as Jewish. And while I have enough Jewish friends to know that they probably would have a much better sense of humor about being represented that way than I do, I know many beautiful Jewish women (NOT models, just real women who happen to be Jewish) and I just think -- you know, there's so much intolerance in the world, so much emphasis on our differences, that the demographic at which this film is targeted doesn't need to see another image that fixes it in their heads that all Jews dress in black, look dumpy and have Hasidic ringlets. I just think there are ways to convey what you wanted to convey without being so blatant in emphasizing differences.
To be perfectly fair, my daughter really enjoyed your film (I believe I noted that in my review as well), she likes Amanda Bynes (as do I) very much, and the overall message of the film was positive. And I get that it's a reality from middle school on up that the blond and the beautiful do tend to rule the world, and it was nice to see a movie where the average dorks (and I consider myself in that number) get the upper hand. I would have just liked to see you represent their difference in less stereotypical ways. Thanks for responding to clarify your choices as a director.










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9-26-2007 @ 4:22PM
Eklen said...
I myself am Jewish, and after reading the review and this, I must say I horribly disagree with Kim. Of course, I'm also one of those people who dislike books talking about equality, for the simple reason that they put the idea of inequality in people's heads. For me, the holocaust has been drilled into my head so much that books and movies alike that talk about it (number the stars, etc) annoy me for the fact that they are all basically the same from a different POV. Instead of thinking how the director stereotyped the people in the movie badly, why not think that thats how it is? It is very possible for them to be hasidic, look like that, act like that, etc. But you must also put in the fact that everybody is different, plus it was a movie. A movie sounding like it was made for a more mainstream America who is sadly naturally racist (sometimes by trying not to be).
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9-26-2007 @ 3:54PM
KMF said...
I'm with you Kim. Diversity is one thing but stereotyping people is another. He seems to say that he wanted to make it easier for people to see and respect the different cultures instead he exaggerated them as broad stereotypes which defeats any 'noble' intentions the message of this film is supposed to have. Revenge of The Nerds was a farce for people who know when it's not being serious and that it's very the top and silly. This movie is trying to send out a message and mangled it.
I live near a college campus and I'm there once a week or so. We have many students from all over the world and all over the US, and everyone dresses like everybody else, no special costumes, no stereotypical groupings.
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9-26-2007 @ 4:42PM
kara said...
To me, Kim seems preachy; she has a point, but her defense of the point goes on and on and on... I guess I find in condescending that she is telling a Jewish man what the stereotypes of Jews are. He knows.
I think her rebuttal would have beneffitted from a LOT of revision and editing before she posted. As a professional writer she should know by now that reader interest wanes after the second paragraph.
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9-26-2007 @ 5:53PM
MikeO said...
For the record, both of the very attractive actresses playing the lead roles in the film - Sara Paxton and Amanda Bynes - are Jewish in real life
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9-26-2007 @ 5:11PM
liya said...
While I'm not exactly defending Mr. Naussbaum's choice to dress the students "for quick identification", I'm not sure if the stereotype of all Jewish people as "dumpy" Hassidim is much worse than the stereotype of all sorority girls as blonde, skinny, and ditzy or the stereotype of all gay men as flamboyant--all of which are in the movie.
I can pretty much guarantee that no one in America will think anything different about Jewish people after watching this film. Like Eklen said, the Holocaust--which affected gay people and other groups as well--is drilled into our heads from very early in our education system. Even a home-schooled kids won't become racist or homophobic adults if the adults in their lives aren't.
It may have been in bad taste to use Jewish stereotypes in the movie, but this isn't quite Triump of the Will material here.
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9-26-2007 @ 6:20PM
Chris said...
Eklen, your comment made just about zero sense.
"Books put the idea of inequality into people's heads.... America is naturally racist." Umm, if the country is naturally racist, then only racist ideas will propagate, and books about equality are needed in order to teach tolerance. By removing these books, you aren't eliminating thoughts of inequality, you're allowing them to gestate unhindered.
"That's how it is?" The director himself said that the dress and look was HIS stylistic choice and that the JSU was in fact NOT Hasidic. It would have been much more apt to put one or two Hasidic Jews in the group than the ENTIRE group. That right there propagates a stereotype.
Just because a movie is made for a country that you've deemed ignorant and racist it should be allowed to further nurture these aspects? This is a movie aimed at a young demographic, and like Kim fears, a large number of them are in areas where there is limited diversity. This is their early education, and few of them will have parents who have been exposed to diversity themselves, so it could be their only education in this until long after they have formed images and opinions.
Granted, this IS just a tween-aimed comedy and not Schindler's List. However, nobody is asking them to directly teach tolerance, but to not propogate stereotypes.
So sorry that the Holocaust has been drilled into your head so much that you're sick of it. The reason it's brought up again and again and again is because it affected MILLIONS of people and changed the face of the world. The same elements that allowed it to happen nearly 70 years ago still exist today, and without reminders of these horrors and continued to effort to education, the world is in danger of repeating them. Don't believe me? Take a look at the "ethnic cleansings" that occur even today around the world. Because you live in a nicely sheltered world doesn't mean everyone else does.
The price of liberty is eternal vigilance. Deal with it.
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9-26-2007 @ 5:14PM
gwydion said...
Perhaps I'm being overly sensitive, but I live in OKC and I feel KIm herself is painting a sterotype of Oklahomans. While we aren't exposed to the large numbers of other cultures found in other areas of the county, that doesn't mean the people who live in OKC are unaware of the different groups, either religious or ethnic, that are found in larger numbers elsewhere. We do have many ethnic festivals here and in some ways have a better understanding of groups (native Americans) than people who live elsewhere do.
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9-26-2007 @ 5:13PM
liya said...
Yeah, yeah, I meant "Triumph".
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9-26-2007 @ 5:33PM
kingrottenboy said...
the truth is most jews don't look like that, and that the director had to dress them up so people would identify them as Jewish is ridiculous, sure there are many jews that dress that way, but they don't go to secular schools, they go to schools called yeshivas where they study the talmud and the bible.
As a jew myself who just came out of the US army I was constanly questioned why I didn't wear such a "jewish" wardrobe.
how hard would it be to show jews as they really are? why insult your audience to think they wouldn't pick up on that? was the reviewer to preachy? no, all the points she made were valid ane reasonable.
but I feel her main point is this, this movie is aimed at a young and impresionable audience, the movie has a good theme but than it reverts to lowering itself by showing stereotypes.
just because you are a jew doesn't mean you can't stereotype your own people.
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9-26-2007 @ 5:48PM
StopWhileYouCan said...
My daughter had friends that were Jewish? That is offered in defense? Really? Instead of eight paragraphs of back-peddling, two words would have sufficed:
"I'm sorry."
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9-26-2007 @ 6:06PM
MB said...
Was Kim a little long-winded in this? Sure, but this isn't a news post; it's her personal response to the director's comment, that she chose to paste into a post for discussion, rather than just in the comments of her review. And they're valid concerns.
I grew up in rural New York before hitting Toronto, the racial and cultural polar opposite of my hometown. I went to an almost completely white school, and my youth was spent with a sadly vague knowledge of other cultures -- because school books just don't cut it when it comes to learning about the world. There is being aware that other groups and people exist, and then there is understanding, at some level, who they are.
When I got to Toronto, I couldn't believe how innocently ignorant I was. I learned the most by being a minority in a number of situations -- from classrooms to stores to transit. And, of course, by befriending many different types of people. Exposure and interaction are the best ways to understand another person or group.
Festivals are great an all, but they're small, celebratory slices of life. Unless you go to the event and have long discussions with the people about their heritage and life, it's more of an enjoyable show than a fully enriching experience.
What does that leave? Media. No, not every morsel can actively combat ignorance and stereotypes, but that doesn't mean they should actively fuel it. Nussbaum didn't choose to have the Jewish group wear yarmulkes, or something more widely-applicable, he chose to make a group that wasn't Hasidic dress that way for "quick identification."
They represent a small percentage of the total Jewish population, and the director chose to use that as a visual signifier for all of them. That is just plain stereotypical. Why do something like that when you can plant the seed for educational growth, or do nothing at all?
There are varying levels of racism, and it is a problem that continues to plague us. In my 30 years, I've encountered varying levels of racism and ignorance from all ages and locales. Sometimes this manifests in utterly despicable actions like violence and murder, and sometimes it's a simple comment or assumption.
We're an advanced and modern society -- and we should know better.
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9-26-2007 @ 6:53PM
Kim Voynar said...
gwydion,
I was born and raised in OKC, and I can tell you I never knew a Jewish person until I moved to NYC when I was in my 20s. Not that there aren't Jewish people here, but I grew up Catholic here in a school district that was predominantly Southern Baptist, and if there were Jewish kids at my rather large high school, they kept that information to themselves.
We moved to Fort Lee, NJ when my oldest daughter was nine, and that town is very predominantly Jewish -- menorah in the town square, everything shuts down for Hanukah, etc. It was the first time my daughter (and I) had ever been around a lot of Jewish people, and it was eye-opening to realize just how insular an environment I'd been raised in. You often don't see it until you go somewhere else awhile.
That said, I will agree with you that kids in OK are exposed a lot more to various Native American cultures than kids in other places. My kids just saw Native American dancers for the first time, and they loved it.
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9-30-2007 @ 10:56PM
jbyrd130` said...
I basically agree with liya (4.) Why would you expect more from such "safe" comedic fare? And why single out the Jewish representation?
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9-27-2007 @ 11:05AM
chris said...
Can't we all just get along and STOP WHINING? Gosh, people get so personally offended.
Just be happy you're alive and who really cares, in the long run, what others think!
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9-27-2007 @ 11:09AM
Captain Obvious said...
Before reading this post, I hadn't even heard of this movie, and I don't intend on seeing it.
With that said, I must congratulate Mr. Naussbaum on sparking this debate. Here we are, on Cinematical.com, of all places, having a debate about Chassidic jews.
There's no such thing a bad press. If this movie and this debate gets a few secular jews curious about Chassidic jews, that's a great thing! The question of "Mommy, why do those jews look different than we do?" could lead to a shabbos at the shul, Sukkot with the rabbi, or who knows what else.
(And by the way, I'm not jewish.)
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10-04-2007 @ 11:03AM
mk said...
"that town is very predominantly Jewish -- menorah in the town square, everything shuts down for Hanukah, etc. It was the first time my daughter (and I) had ever been around a lot of Jewish people, and it was eye-opening to realize just how insular an environment I'd been raised in."
Kim,
As your unconscious post indicates, there are different kinds of insularity: those we are biased in favor of, and those we are biased against. You've made yours clear.
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