Discuss: Is Hollywood Misogynistic?
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In these supposedly progressive times, gender equality is one of those touchy issues relegated to the last paragraph of a trend piece nobody reads. When Katherine Heigl suggested to Vanity Fair that Judd Apatow's movies were sexist, the assertion came across like an after-the-fact shrug of acceptance. Ever the galvanizing provocateur, New York Times critic Manohla Dargis confronts the issue head-on with a thorough analysis of the gender bias in this year's summer blockbusters. With "Iron Man, Batman, Big Angry Green Man" and other massive expressions of virility invading the box office, female roles appear to be relegated to the back of the multiplex. Dargis touches on the rumors that Warner Bros head Jeff Robinov believes no woman has been able to sell a movie since Julia Roberts (a point that Natalie Portman might contest, but not Paris Hilton) before sizing up numerous upcoming studio releases, with particular attention paid to Anna Faris, "who could be the next Judy Holliday but without the right material will, alas, probably end up the next Brittany Murphy." It's the kind of pronouncement that hits you in gut.
Faris, it's worth noting, landed one of the least sexualized female roles in a potentially mainstream comedy as the goofy stoner in Gregg Araki's Smiley Face. (Sadly, the film barely found a theatrical release before it got dumped on DVD.) While her performance as a rejected Playboy mansion inhabitant in The House Bunny looks like a confirmation of Dargis' dour thesis, at least it allows a woman to step into the limelight of the big screen, just as Baby Mama has done to great success. For now, however, Dargis remains unconvinced. "In 2008, when a white woman and a black man are running for president and attracting unprecedented numbers of voters partly because they are giving a face to the wildly under-represented, you might think that Hollywood would get a clue," she writes, concluding, "Nah."
What do you think? Are female roles marginalized by Hollywood studios?









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5-04-2008 @ 5:29PM
Joe said...
Chalk it up to a lack of talent both in terms of actresses and writers. They'll come back around again.
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5-04-2008 @ 5:34PM
Midnight13 said...
I myself have not seen "Knocked Up", so I couldn't agree or disagree with Heigel's comments. I'm not quite sure what aspects of the film she is criticizing. Yet, I will use the similarly in humor "There's Something About Mary". Why was that film so successful? Was it because of the Farrelly brothers? Perhaps. Was it Ben Stiller? He certainly has his audience but he's not quite Jim Carrey popular. Oh yeah, and then there's Cameron Diaz. Her role as Mary made that film. A woman who got the humor and was certainly game to play along with the guys and yet still manged to be the heart of that movie.
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5-04-2008 @ 6:00PM
YouFaceTheTick said...
Anne Hathaway springs to mind. She's been the star of several 100 million dollar films.
Personally, I think it comes down to who the studios are trying to reach. As long as they aim for the bottom of the barrel then stuff like Iron Man - yes it was a limp film with an even more threadbare plot than Transformers - will continue to be made. They build films for teen boys.
The films made for the rest of us barely get any press or wide release.
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5-04-2008 @ 7:45PM
Batzarro(A.K.A Rap-Rock Cameo) said...
I guess it comes down to this: When they make it, do you buy it? What, you don't have any copies of Notes on a Scandal, how'd you expect more?
And besides, Pepper Pots in Iron Man has more character strenght than many Lifetime movies put together.
5-04-2008 @ 8:15PM
YouFaceTheTick said...
Notes on a Scandal was a damn good movie. Far better, imho, than sitting through Iron Man. While Downey was a fantastic rake, the rest of the characters were paper thin, lacking motivation and any backstory. There was a villain in the movie right? Yeah, an old guy with a beard, Bridges, who appeared in maybe 10 minutes of the movie before we endured 15 minutes of two bad CGI robots fighting.
Movies are made for teens. Most movies seem to be aimed at teen boys, with teen-aged minded adults boys the next target.
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5-04-2008 @ 8:28PM
akaison said...
The gay perspective: I wrote this before, but for reason it didn't show up. Let me try again. The problem isn't women, and by that you must mean white women, since there has always been a dirth of roles for women of color (I note you don't mention that). The problem is that Hollywood entertains only the fantasies of average looking guys like Apatow who want to imagine they can get girls that they wouldn't get in real life. I don't dislike all of his movies. Some of them are very good (40 Year Old Virgin being still at the top of the list), but the reality is that they really are straight white male wet dream material about the women they can't attract in real life. If the women seem lesser in such movies, it's because these guys wouldn't be dating stronger women since those types of women would be attracted to a different type of guy. About the only one who fits the type of guy I imagine a strong attractive woman who thinks might date is Tony Stark. He's more of the uber guy rather than the poor average looks, average life, average personality guy who couldn't get the women often casted in these movies. As my friend said of Knocked Up (he's also gay)- she would have to be so blindly drunk as to be out cold to have had sex with that guy. That's the reality. I imagine a lot of guys here will say that ain't true. But that's more of their fantasizing. So long as everyone thinks they are being served by this narrow demographic- not much will change.
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5-04-2008 @ 9:47PM
YouFaceTheTick said...
"The problem is that Hollywood entertains only the fantasies of average looking guys like Apatow who want to imagine they can get girls that they wouldn't get in real life."
That's ludicrous. Many guys date above and marry above themselves. Apatow is a good example of this.
The fact is, you're a guy. You're shallow just like a straight guy. Women, strangely, thankfully, aren't nearly as shallow. Everybody has seen pretty women with a average looking guy and wondered what the hell was up with that. How often do you see a good looking guy (that's rare enough) who is with an ugly or even average girl? That's super rare. If a guy's that good looking he's with someone beautiful too (male or female).
Average guys do get above average girls because women want much more than arm candy. Guys - gay or straight - are far more shallow than that generally.
5-04-2008 @ 8:35PM
Philip said...
Isn't Ms. Heigel the same woman who densely declared in USA Today that she'd rather pay someone to have babies for her, since it looks like childbirth hurts?
Not exactly the pinnacle of intellectual thought, is Ms. Heigel.
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5-04-2008 @ 8:49PM
akaison said...
What does a) how she wants to have children have to do with b) what she thinks of how women are treated in their roles in Hollywood have to do with each other? How does one point connect in terms of what people have been saying about the later? If your point about women in general- because it certainly seems that way.
5-04-2008 @ 9:06PM
Pop Culture Pessimist said...
Who gives a damn? God was misogynistic. Deal with it.
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5-04-2008 @ 9:09PM
Claire said...
as a young woman and self-professed feminist i am more inclined to believe that hollywood still has a long way to go. the problem seems to be that no one can decide what makes a good female role. movies with weak, over sexualized women are considered sexist. where is the line between normal human and weak human? where is the line between sexual freedom/independence and sex object? these are the kinds of questions writers need/have to ask when creating characters. more women writers and producers would probably help but i doubt this situation will change anytime soon. which is a shame.
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5-04-2008 @ 10:15PM
Peter Hall said...
I declare this post misogynistic for choosing the ugliest picture of Anna Farris possible.
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5-04-2008 @ 10:49PM
Jen said...
Misogynistic? Probably not, but the sad fact is that the majority of these big commercial films are aimed squarely at guys, so everything is skewed in their direction. I'm sure if the studios were to actively go after the female audience again, we'd see more of a gender-balanced landscape like there is on TV.
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5-04-2008 @ 11:31PM
akaison said...
YouTick:
Give me a break. Most women, with extremely rare exceptions, marries slobs below their on social standards. That's again the fantasy of his movies. Apatow isn't some poor middle class slob like the characters he tends to write about in his movies.
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5-05-2008 @ 10:37AM
YouFaceTheTick said...
And yet a study just proved women marry below themselves:
http://news.yahoo.com/s/livescience/20080410/sc_livescience/whybeautifulwomenmarrylessattractivemen
Guys are shallow. Women are far more pragmatic. You rarely see an old lady with a young stud on her arm. How often do you see the McCain thing though? In So Cal this isn't uncommon. Hot wife - bland husband/fat guy/slob. The reality, women look for companionship, security, attention. Guys? Breasts. Okay that last part is a joke but it's not too far off: men are visual creatures and we opt for and will gladly take someone above our physical standing.
5-04-2008 @ 11:56PM
mayorjimmy said...
Tell y'all what. When hollywood starts making action movies with NO romance plots of any kind in them, then you can start to say hollywood is gender biased and only appeals to men without sounding like a TOTAL ASS.
youtick: woman are less shallow then men? can i buy some pot from you?
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5-05-2008 @ 12:13AM
akaison said...
saying action movies are for women just because they include a little romance is like saying straight porn is for women just because they include men in the scenes and a little bit of dialogue.
5-05-2008 @ 2:00AM
Sam said...
I don't think Hollywood is misogynistic so much as it's just dumb. Not Hollywood it self, that is, but the movies it makes. The majority of people out there don't want deep, compelling, realistic movies. The men want ridiculous explosions and car chases with little to no character development and the women want farcical, sophmoric Reese Witherspoon romantic comedies or weepy, melodramtic Nicholas Sparks garbage. It's all a business and that's what sells tickets. Complex roles for women isn't part of the equation, but complex roles for me aren't really included either. When it comes to indie films and smaller releases where the goal is to make art rather than to simply drag as many people into the theater as you can, there can be meatier roles for me and I would argue that there are plenty of meaty roles for women to be had as well. The women who can handle those roles don't neccessarily become as famous since they're not doing Maxim shoots and getting spotlighted in US Weekly, but I'm quite okay with that.
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5-05-2008 @ 2:01AM
Sam said...
Correction: meatier roles for me, not me. I knew I should have proofread.
5-05-2008 @ 2:02AM
ZooeyGlass said...
Damknit...I did it again. MEN!