The Geek Beat: Those Comic Book Broads Don't Need No Movies!
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In the glorious aftermath of Iron Man, Marvel announced the dates for who was to follow in his titanium alloyed footsteps, and not surprisingly there's nary a superheroine among them.
I'm a little late to this conversation – even Defamer was calling for a superchick movie last week, but we all know you're stylish if you arrive late to the party. And frankly, as a geek girl, I'm given a pass and can talk about this stuff whenever the mood strikes me. Plus, if I had done it last week, we wouldn't have gotten to talk about all those cool comic books.
It's a surprising fact, but the comic book world is a lot more accepting of tough women than mainstream Hollywood. There are no doubt loads of men and women who disagree with me, pointing to Frank Miller or the unrealistic body expectations. No doubt there are a lot of damning storylines and panels ("Quiet, or Papa spank!"), but I find much of it easy to shrug off. I'm as staunch a feminist as you can find, but I've never been able to completely shake my fist at the industry because, dammit, there was Wonder Woman and Jean Grey. From the start, comic book heroines were strong individuals, capable of action. A glance through Marvel or DC titles show plenty of women who kick ass as heroes, villains, and all the ambiguity in between.
And they've been doing it for years! Wonder Woman was battling villains when women were still being run out of the workplace – and sporting a mini-skirt while women were still unusual in pants. Of course, they show leg, of course they are extremely pretty and curvaceous, but so what? The men are all cleft-jawed and ripped like gods, so we're hardly seeing a fair shake for either gender there.
I'm a little late to this conversation – even Defamer was calling for a superchick movie last week, but we all know you're stylish if you arrive late to the party. And frankly, as a geek girl, I'm given a pass and can talk about this stuff whenever the mood strikes me. Plus, if I had done it last week, we wouldn't have gotten to talk about all those cool comic books.
It's a surprising fact, but the comic book world is a lot more accepting of tough women than mainstream Hollywood. There are no doubt loads of men and women who disagree with me, pointing to Frank Miller or the unrealistic body expectations. No doubt there are a lot of damning storylines and panels ("Quiet, or Papa spank!"), but I find much of it easy to shrug off. I'm as staunch a feminist as you can find, but I've never been able to completely shake my fist at the industry because, dammit, there was Wonder Woman and Jean Grey. From the start, comic book heroines were strong individuals, capable of action. A glance through Marvel or DC titles show plenty of women who kick ass as heroes, villains, and all the ambiguity in between.
And they've been doing it for years! Wonder Woman was battling villains when women were still being run out of the workplace – and sporting a mini-skirt while women were still unusual in pants. Of course, they show leg, of course they are extremely pretty and curvaceous, but so what? The men are all cleft-jawed and ripped like gods, so we're hardly seeing a fair shake for either gender there.
The world of comic books is one of hyper-realism, broad lines and bright colors. Girls can dismiss it as silliness, but I've never thought we should be too insulted by it. (I'll only cry about it when the dudes say Superman is an unrealistic body type.) It's not a perfect industry -- sure, I'd love to see more women writers, and more realistic breast sizes, but I'm also pleased with the parts it has allowed fictional women to play.
No, what is more appalling than the unrealistic breast sizes is how long it is taking Hollywood to catch up. Not only has the movie industry never produced the amount of action chicks that comic books have, we aren't even getting girls with superpowers! It has been eight years since X-Men made comic book movies big business, and we have yet to see a proper superheroine. Ant-Man is on a faster production track than Wonder Woman – and who is more recognizable to the general public? Why is Thor more palatable to the mass audience than Black Widow? I don't buy that there isn't a mass appeal for these stories.
It probably doesn't help the studio perspective that the only two comic heroines allowed to fly solo were disasters. But was there ever a smidgen of care given to either Elektra or Catwoman during the writing or production process? Neither film was entered into with that Iron Man spirit; they were careless and cheap, and turned out predictably awful. It's no surprise that a movie bombs because it sucks – but surely, the suits are ascribing that largely to heroines being lousy sells. It says volumes that neither are worth the kind of relaunch The Incredible Hulk is getting. Why not bring back Elektra to revise big screen history? I'd pay to see it in a heartbeat.
We haven't even seen a proper Marvel or DC heroine playing a secondary role. Now, I love the X-Men movies, but not one of the X-Women was half as tough as she was on the page. I've always wanted to dismiss it as Halle Berry hating the role of Storm, or maybe the lot of them being bad actresses ... and maybe it is because of all those reasons, but really, they were almost an afterthought. The X-Girls were frequently put out of action in the first two movies, and X3, well, we don't really have to go there. But it's rather telling that the Dark Phoenix Saga gets revised from the story of a woman who has the power of the cosmos and eats the sun, to a grouchy chick with a clunky costume. (Grouchy at best – she was catatonic half the time. Oh, the potential symbolism of her zombie face when she actually summoned her full power!)
The X-Women weren't the only ones who fared badly. Look at Fantastic Four. Admittedly, I haven't seen all of either film. I made a valiant effort to watch Rise of the Silver Surfer while on a flight to London, but I actually felt my brain cells dying and gave up, preferring to watch the in-flight map instead. Sue Storm has never been as much of a badass in the sun eating, brain melting mold. But Wolverine actually feared her above the Four's male team members in Enemy of the State – a character factor that didn't quite come across in either movie.
What the superheroines need is a Jon Favreau or a Bryan Singer who will champion them, who will fight the good fight to bring all their awesomeness to the big screen. It is a bit worrying that Joss Whedon, the one big name thus far to champion a superchick, failed miserably. But don't let him be the last attempt, Hollywood. No more excuses, no more fidgeting, no more bargain bin attempts. Bring on the superheroines – give them the tight outfits, and give them the high heels ... but let them kick ass!










Reader Comments (Page 1 of 2)
5-06-2008 @ 1:36PM
BondsBabe said...
I do enjoy the Fantastic Four movies for fun, except for Sue Storm. She annoys me. She comes off trying to be smarter and tougher than anyone else, plus I wasn't a fan of her casting anyway.
And far as female superhero movies, yeah that's a tough call. There are some old favorites they could dust off. Phantom Lady, is still popular among comic book art collectors. They could do a 'The Spirit' type of movie for her. Emma Frost would be interesting because of the X-Men. Guys like her, her costume is actually white lingerie, talk about a selling point.
Have they done anything with Zatanna yet?
They need to do a decent awesome Vampirella movie, because I don't count the one that came out in the 90's. She sort of counts as superhero, I think. She wears a suit, has super powers if you count her being an alien from Drakulon.
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5-06-2008 @ 1:36PM
ana said...
Thank you for sharing the Quiet or Papa Spank! link. Sure, it's terrible that that kind of stuff was/is acceptable, but it's so ridiculous that it's funny.
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5-06-2008 @ 1:41PM
ana said...
And I still think Birds of Prey would make a good movie, even better than the TV show. It would be nice if a woman directed one of these movies, actually.
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5-06-2008 @ 2:01PM
Claire said...
I wish I could say I agree with you. As a feminist myself I want superheroines to kick ass and show that women can take care of themselves. They shouldn't play second fiddle in a fight. But I still have qualms with the proportions and outfits. I want to be supportive of the strong woman image they portray but I can't if they remain dressed like strippers. I guess I still can't accept the hyperreality that exists within comics. perhaps it would be better if i knew the men and boys who read these comics read for the strength first and the sex second.
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5-06-2008 @ 3:48PM
dopiestghost said...
Do you see anything wrong with men that have perfect bodies wearing "costumes" that are just body paint? You can see every last inch of Superman or Batman's body with the exception of their genitalia. That's really no different than the women. Comic books have always been about the idealized body. I understand that a boy seeing Superman won't get turned on but because he may ogle Wonder Woman does that mean she should be dressed conservatively while Superman flashes his pecs? Isn't that just as hypocritical? Or do you think everyone in comics should cover up?
Elisabeth -- great article. I do think it's more of a Hollywood problem than it is a comic book problem. How many movies are made with female leads, all genres combined? Very few. And of those, how many are not generic "chick flicks?" Even less.
5-06-2008 @ 6:14PM
dopiestghost said...
It's also worth pointing out that perfectly proportioned and scantily clad women in comics were following the tradition of perfectly proportioned, scantily clad men (Doc Savage, Tarzan, even Superman is really just a guy in underwear and body paint). So to imply that it was sexism that begot Wonder Woman's outfits and all which have come since is misleading. Comics, like statues of Greek gods before them, have always been about idealized HUMAN figures, not relegated to one gender.
5-06-2008 @ 2:03PM
AJ Wiley said...
Yeah, Joss Whedon quitting Wonder Woman was a sad situation.
The one guy who would do an absolutely perfect Wonder Woman flick getting reamed by the studio (I know he made the decision to quit, but the events that led up to his departure sounded ridiculous) is a terrific shame.
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5-07-2008 @ 4:20AM
Michael said...
Where oh where is my male-driven Sex and the City-equivalent championed by The Coen Bros????
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5-06-2008 @ 3:06PM
J said...
Why is it whenever one of this chicks writes something on here it's almost always about being a chick?
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5-07-2008 @ 2:48AM
Moo said...
hahaha, funny, i was wondering why everytime you post something on here it's about being a douchebag?
5-06-2008 @ 3:32PM
akaison said...
Claire,
A large part of Wonder Woman's audience isn't straight men. It's gay guys who do read it because she is tough.
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5-06-2008 @ 3:31PM
theREELaddict said...
Don't get me wrong, I'm not trying to suggest that only woman can or should direct woman superhero films, but I would love to see Kathryn Bigelow (who I wish would work more frequently) take on a Marvel or DC property. Actually, I think with a good script, she could make a great Black Widow film.
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5-06-2008 @ 7:42PM
Aaron said...
I think the problem is that a tough woman movie peroid doesn't do that well financially and the comic book movies have to make alot to cover the costs of making them.
Even movies like North Country or Resident Evil don't come near the superhero flicks in money made.
They made a Bloodrayne movie TWICE and it blew btu I blame Uwe Boll for that.
WAIT A MINUTE, maybe you should think about Elektra! That was a superheroine and not totally bad the problem is the movie isn't marketable to WOMEN, comic books aren't marketing to them, go to a comic book convention and there are 3 to 1 on guy/girl ratio b/c comics are generally read by dorky males.
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5-06-2008 @ 7:44PM
Aaron said...
I think the problem is that a tough woman movie peroid doesn't do that well financially and the comic book movies have to make alot to cover the costs of making them.
Even movies like North Country or Resident Evil don't come near the superhero flicks in money made.
They made a Bloodrayne movie TWICE and it blew btu I blame Uwe Boll for that.
WAIT A MINUTE, maybe you should think about Elektra! That was a superheroine and not totally bad the problem is the movie isn't marketable to WOMEN, comic books aren't marketing to them, go to a comic book convention and there are 3 to 1 on guy/girl ratio b/c comics are generally read by dorky males.
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5-06-2008 @ 8:24PM
Jimmy said...
I completely agree with your opinion of the women in the X-Men movies. Storm got a lot more play in X-3, but that movie just sucked big time. The entire Phoenix saga, from her first appearance to the emergence of Dark Phoenix, is some of the finest X-Men writing there ever was. X-3 completely bastardized that story and made it secondary to the whole film. Famke Janssen is certainly not an acting powerhouse, but I thought she inhabited the role of Jean Grey very well -- more so than Halle Berry ever did with Storm. Fans got screwed with that film.
Wonder Woman is an intersting character and even with the bustier bursting at the seams this is a character who fought Nazis in WW2 and stood for the same American values as Superman. Done right, Wonder Woman could be a feminist dream come true. Moreover, if the idiots who run Hollywood these days don't think men will respond to a women running around in a red bustier and blue panties, they're morons.
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5-06-2008 @ 10:16PM
Batzarro(A.K.A Rap-Rock Cameo) said...
I hate how shunned Womder Woman is, despite having had a proven series in the 70's(60's), cycling between Superman and Batman(but, to be fair, Flash is also in there).
I want to see Supergirl in there somewhere, and/or Powergirl. And Rogue in X-Men movies lost so many chances of kicking ass I lost count. In the cartoon, she was so kickass.
I also hate how some folks get so iffy about realism in breast sizes of women who shoot lasers out their eyes...
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5-07-2008 @ 2:47AM
Elisabeth said...
Because laser eyes are integral to the storyline -- large breasts aren't. ;)
5-14-2008 @ 11:12AM
tim said...
Superman doesn't have a realistic body! How the heck is he supposed to have developed all those muscles when he had superstrength? He'd have to lift locomotives for 12 hours just burn 50 calories. He should always be depicted as scrawny.
As for the rest of the article, you're right on target Elisabeth. Rogue is probably the most interesting to me, if they showed her "acquiring" her other permanent powers from Ms Marvel. X-23 would also be great.
I think Buffy was probably the best thing to proove superheroines can work, and lament Joss not getting to make a WW movie.
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5-07-2008 @ 1:14PM
Violet said...
Great article! I agree with the above poster who said that Buffy was probably the closest thing in modern pop media to a bona fide, successful, kick-ass superheroine. To be fair though, I don't think Joss Whedon's Wonder Woman script was rejected based only on character personality development. He was planning to indulge in Greek mythology for the story. Maybe his attempts came across as too campy for the higher powers.(Season 5 Glory anyone?)
Something else which is noteworthy. While X-Men spin-offs Wolverine and Magneto have been confirmed for sure, Mystique has been shelved entirely. I don't see why characters like Mystique and Rogue shouldn't get a movie of their own. There is enough source material to make sure these flicks aren't disasters like Catwoman. Then again, Catwoman had enough source material to make sure it wasn't a disaster like Catwoman, so moot point. But who wouldn't wanted to see a really dedicated film-maker helm projects like Birds of Prey and Catwoman? Heck, how kickass would a Kitty Pryde movie be with Ellen Paige reprising her fanboy lauded role in the otherwise terrible X3? There are so many excellent opportunities for Hollywood when it comes to the gals in the funny books.
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5-10-2008 @ 3:10PM
Will Scarlett said...
Though the movie might have not lived up to the hype, Red Sonja featured a very climatic sword fighting scene. Sandahl Bergman and (then newbie) Brigette Nielsen steel duel was as good as anything in Lord of the Rings. This proves that atheletic, strong, and beautiful women, who are properly trained, can provide high quality action-entertainment.
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