Fan Rant: Simmer Down, X-Philes
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This summer has been a big one for the fanboy (and girl) nation. Geeks have rejoiced as their favorite icons have come to grace the silver screen either once again or for the first time -- Tony Stark, Indiana Jones, Bruce Wayne, Bruce Banner, Kit Kittredge -- with each film accompanied by its own modest fan frenzy (yes, a $155 million opening weekend equals modest 'round these parts).
But naturally, as if so often the case with the potent combo of radical fanaticism and internet anonymity, the nastier trolls have not seen fit to shirk their responsibility of maintaining the sacred Tomatometer with a crudely constructed death threat or two (or two hundred). For them, this is personal. They can't possibly enjoy their long-awaited flick should some goateed snob decide to feel any degree of lukewarm or otherwise before the public gets their peek.
This is blood for blood, and by the comment. These are the new days, the bad days, the all-or-nothing days. They're back.
Just two weeks ago, the comic crowd seemed fairly mellow when most critics dug Hellboy II: The Golden Army, but given the rapturous hyperbole that had bolstered a score of ninety-something percent on Rotten Tomatoes for the better part of a month, reaction to any non-praise for The Dark Knight was severe to say the least, bringing up memories of those precious few WALL-E pans from late last month and the violent comments they drew.
Now, six years after the television series ended and ten years after a first movie opened to a decent enough response from fans and critics alike, we find ourselves facing a big-screen X-Files sequel good enough to open on 3,000+ screens, but not good enough to screen for most (well, print) critics to meet their deadline. The common courtesy for years has been to screen a film by Tuesday night if a studio wanted reviews to run, and either on Thursday night or not at all if it isn't worth the trouble (against all odds, Snakes on a Plane seemed to prove the lone exception to this rule of thumb).
So while it may seem like Wednesday morning or evening serves as a moderate compromise, it is still past deadline, and when this strategy has previously been applied to the likes of Meet Dave, The Brothers Solomon, and Hannibal Rising, it's that much more difficult to believe that The X-Files: I Want to Believe isn't a dud in waiting. But while this seems like is a follow-up that precious few have asked for (the same could be said for Hellboy), those in the loyal minority stand by the fact that series creator/sequel director Chris Carter and writer/producer Frank Spotnitz have claimed that the late-ish screenings are part of their best efforts to prevent any secrets from leaking out. (Now that's what I call fighting the future! No? Fine...)
I'll confess: the trailers so far intrigue me enough without spoiling very much at all; then again, the same was true for The Simpsons Movie on this weekend last year, and the same studio only changed their minds at the relative last minute when it opted to indeed show that rather successful TV-to-cinema translation in time for a gushing reception that came to reveal little at all in the end.
While secrets galore may very well be the case, it's still difficult for critics to shake the stigma associated with said screenings -- which is not to say that the press will then proceed to grade the film on a harsher curve for it, as some X-Philes have suggested (you know, the ones who are going to love it anyway, the ones who prove their points in ALL CAPS!!!! with superfluous punctuation, natch). Apparently, we're a load of cranky spoil-sports, ready and waiting to tear this puppy down, and while I'm fairly certain that isn't the case with most of my sensible colleagues, we know cause for concern when we see it (or, rather, don't).
And that's besides the fact that, if you loved this series and these characters so much, why would you bother subjecting yourself to anything potentially revealing anything? That is, unless you were out to narrow-mindedly champion those with whom you agree (because you know it has to be Great) and attack those with whom you don't (because they hold grudges and they don't get it and this is for the fans, so suck it). We can't help it that Chris(t) Carter went and added the goading fan nod of a subtitle "I Want to Believe" instead of something like The X-Files: Lower Your Expectations.
If When Should there ever be an Arrested Development movie, I will expect it to be Great and won't want to read spoilers, and as such, I wouldn't dare subject myself to any reviews ahead of time and I wouldn't chastise those who found themselves disappointed or just unimpressed. Them's the breaks. This is a movie. We're movie critics. Sure, we may be expected to go into a film with an objective stance, but coming out of it, we're going to be entirely subjective. That's the idea -- to provide our singular opinion -- and that's exactly what we get paid to do.
So do us all a favor this weekend, and store up your typos and vitriol for another day. Knowing little about their respective small-screen origins, I enjoyed the first X-Files film well enough and Serenity even more, so there's hope yet. When it came to our own Eric D. Snider's RT-based psych-out last week, most people bothered to catch on, and with the first (and only) rave for The X-Files at the moment being (rightfully) approached with caution -- these junket reviews sometimes prove to be less the early indicator and more the exception -- I'd say that's even more reason to think that these interwebs of ours might yet survive another geek-centric release.
Just because you want to believe that it'll be a good movie doesn't make it so. Regardless, come Friday, the truth will indeed be out there, whether you (or we) like it or not.
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7-21-2008 @ 9:55PM
Calraigh said...
So we're the trolling fanboys in question now? It's ironic that while writing an article about bias in the X-Phile fanbase, you display that same bias, '' We can't help it that Chris(t) Carter went and added the goading fan nod of a subtitle "I Want to Believe" instead of something like The X-Files: Lower Your Expectations.'' Seriously? If you were anymore condescending you'd be Bill O'Reilly. You're obviously adamant in undermining the franchise, undermining the fandom and taking umbrage at the late screenings; btw, not every critic sees this as a slight. It's generally only those that can't reach a deadline that do.
In writing a passive-agressive piece like this, you've become part of the problem. Just because the X-Files lost it's bloom in the latter stages of the series is not a sound basis for assessing a stand-alone feature.
In addition, thanks for the opportunity to respond to a piece like this. It pretty much sums up why X-Philes have become so defensive of late.
You're dead right by the way, the truth will be out there next Friday and you're also right in saying '' Sure, we may be expected to go into a film with an objective stance, but coming out of it, we're going to be entirely subjective.''
Judging by the slant in this piece, I'll find my subjectivity elsewhere.
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7-21-2008 @ 9:58PM
William Goss said...
"Just because the X-Files lost it's bloom in the latter stages of the series is not a sound basis for assessing a stand-alone feature."
I never once made an assessment of the quality of the show at any point in time. As I said, I've only the faintest familiarity with it - if I've seen a full episode of it, it's been years since.
I didn't want fans NOT to respond. I'm just encouraging the more zealous fans to temper their kneejerk defenses when some will inevitably have seen the film while others - including the fans - haven't.
7-21-2008 @ 9:55PM
Peter Hall said...
While I don't think press folk go out of their way to grade on a harsher curve, they certainly make it a point to, er, point out the withheld screening. I'm not in the press and even I manage to know (roughly) what has and hasn't been screened for press. As a reader, I can tell you it certainly taints my view of a film knowing it already has this brand upon it.
Is that effect intentional? I think yes. Why else even bother to point it out? Evidence is all it is, exhibit D for the jury. Personally, I'd rather have it stricken from the record. I'd rather not know if it was screened. I'd rather know completely independent of its press time table whether a flick was a yay or nay.
So while I do think there is a correlation between withheld and shit, I've got to partially side with the X-Philes on this one. If it was withheld, oh well - let that be the studio's problem, not the filmmakers'.
Then again...full disclosure and all...
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7-21-2008 @ 10:01PM
William Goss said...
"So while I do think there is a correlation between withheld and shit, I've got to partially side with the X-Philes on this one. If it was withheld, oh well - let that be the studio's problem, not the filmmakers'."
Okay, now that's a reasoned response beyond the usual fanboy sniping.
7-21-2008 @ 9:56PM
uforeader said...
I don't really know what this article is about. The title would have me believe that X-Files fans are angry about something... what that something is is never explained. And I've never seen proof anywhere of them being angry in the first place.
The text of the article would have me believe that the movie hasn't been screened for critics, but sense there are currently 4 reviews on rottentomatoes (and they don't screen movies for only 4 critics) I know that's not true either.
Finally, it sounds like you're trying to say the new movie is likely bad. But of those 4 reviews, 3 are positive.
I don't know if this movie will be good or bad, but I say "Reader Rant: Simmer Down Overactive Bloggers."
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7-21-2008 @ 10:14PM
William Goss said...
"The title would have me believe that X-Files fans are angry about something... what that something is is never explained. And I've never seen proof anywhere of them being angry in the first place."
- - - - -
From the provided link to the IMDb message boards, and the link within that page to the Orlando Sentinel blog:
-"IMO critics are a sad bunch of jerkoffs that can ruin a good movie with just THEIR OPINION... I wouldn't care if the critics said XF2 was total crap, id go see or rent it anyway."
(So, they don't care what the critics think, but they care enough to think they're a sad bunch of jerkoffs?)
-"critics hate almost every mainstream movie anyway. all they want is art in film. if critics hate a movie all the better"
-"If journalists got there way the movie would be screened early, the net would be flooded with spoliers and juicy details and it would ruin it for all the people who actually pay to go to the movies"
(If that's the case, then don't read the reviews.)
-"Thank goodness! Who wants the movie spoiled before it opens? I imagine there isn't much faith in journalists keeping major plot points quiet."
(Just don't read the reviews.)
-"Its not a bad sign at all...its a sign that CC is as paranoid as ever about spoilers...and i love him cause of that!trustno1...especialy the critics!;)"
(Don't read the reviews you won't trust anyway.)
-"But if the press will see it earlier so you can be sure they won't shut up their mouths so everyone will know what happens... BUT THAT'S SHIT!
XF2 should and will be a surprise for the audience.
AND IT WILL BE A VERY GOOD AND SPOOKY MOVIE!"
(Says who? Now that's bias.)
-"So, you should shut up and stop to be a child:
OOOOOH MOMMY, THEY DIDN'T SHOW ME THE MOVIE YET. I WILL SAY THAT THE MOVIE IS BAAAAAAD."
-"I'm pretty sure that because of all the talk back from fans on this blog post you're going to give the film a bad review. I can almost guarantee it. Save this post folks!"
-"So yeah, this is a tacit admission of suckitude--they are freezing out ALL critics until the last possible minute--just long enough so that they can say "We gave you all the time you needed to get the review in Friday's paper", when in fact they know it takes longer than that, and this will lead to a lot of bad reviews not appearing until a day or so after the film opens."
(Ding-ding-ding!)
-"As for Mr Moore, a critic's job is suppose to provide a professional non-bias opinion about a movie. Unfortunately these days, you can't even trust a critic anymore because they become subjective and bring with them prejudices and become clouded in their criticism.
Regardless of what the critics say, the XFiles fans will make their own judgement."
(THEN JUST IGNORE THE REVIEWS.)
7-21-2008 @ 11:27PM
Tom said...
ARRESTED DEVELOPMENT MOVIE???
My heart is singing!
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7-21-2008 @ 11:44PM
William Goss said...
See, saying an AD movie would be awesome - cool.
Saying that critics must suck if they don't like it - not cool.
Now swap out AD for XF.
(But yes, Tom, that'd be pretty sweet, if it ever actually comes to fruition.)
7-22-2008 @ 9:55AM
J A B said...
You look so suave in teflon. Really.
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7-22-2008 @ 9:07AM
Jen said...
Please don't put all of the 'Philes' into the same bin. I'm a Phile and I'm a lawyer (a fairly articulate one at that). I never bash a reviewer for their opinion and respect it in great degrees. However, just because I chose to voice the fact that I disagree with a reviewers logic doesn't make me fanatic. It makes me opinionated.
Having said that, I'll respect whatever review you decide to put up there so long as it's informed, well written and you've done your research (unlike some reviewers. There's been 4 or 5 reviews so far (in English at least) and 3 of them got it entirely wrong in the sense that one thought Scully and Mulder's baby was dead, the other was generally not informed on the series and the third expected some kind of a Saw type of spectacle and instead was asked to use his logic and brain to comprehend the science behind the plot).
All I'm asking as I said is that you have an informed and even moreso an individual, unique opinion that's completely without bias. You just mentioned the early reviews which have been mixed meaning part of you already decided on what the idea of the movie is and with that judgment you will walk into the theatre having that in mind constantly which will ultimately influence your final verdict.
So just because I will respect your future (I assume) negative opinion, doesn't mean I won't add my own in your comment area because that's what this is for, right? That's why you have a comment box, correct? To get opinions? Or rather to just have people agree with you? To quote Josh Billings: "Most people when they come to you for advice, come to have their opinions strengthened, not corrected."
I should also add that I will do my best to remain unbiased and judge the movie the way I judge any movie. If the plot is indeed bad, I will not hesitate to show my disappointment.
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7-22-2008 @ 9:09AM
Chariot said...
I think that you can't exactly look to any forum on IMDB as a good cross-section of a certain group of people. I find the worst of the worst roll down in that area and you of course will see a multitude of fanatical, raving fans. Having spent some time within the X-Files fandom, I will agree that there are indeed those people who will defend the show and anything surrounding it til the death (all the while using ugly words, punctuation and grammar). However, there are a great many of us who realize our bias and can also take a step back and see another perspective. Believe me, there's hardly a Phile I know who doesn't have their complaints about the show too. And sometimes I think the closer you are to something, the more critical you can be of it.
All we (or maybe I should say "I") want is a truthful representation of something we admire and have followed for all these years and for people to give it a fair go before making up their minds. I, personally, have decided to stay away from reviews and come to my own conclusions on Friday. Then I can decide whether or not the naysaying critics are full of it (at least from my own perspective). Unfortunately, not all Philes will choose this path. But to perpetuate the idea that X-Files fans are a hyper-fanatical, rude, obsessive group without showing the other side, doesn't really accomplish anything except giving those types of fans exactly what they want - attention.
You say as Philes we should just avoid/ignore the reviews of the movie until it comes out. Maybe you can take your own advice and just ignore the crazier/rantier fans. They'll always be there in every fandom, it's just usually best to pretend they aren't.
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7-22-2008 @ 9:09AM
Calraigh said...
Mr. Goss- Your starting point for this piece seems to be based solely on the comments made subsequent to Roger Moore's piece in the Orlando Sentinel and those made on IMDB's message board. I just wonder as to the wisdom or indeed the knowledge that can be gleaned from either site, considering those who frequent it?
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7-22-2008 @ 9:28AM
William Goss said...
To Jen and Chariot, and the level-minded fans out there: I apologize for having taken the worst of the lot and presuming that they spoke for the majority, and I thank you for acknowledging the possibility of disappointment.
That's NOT to say that it will disappoint, but rather that you acknowledge as much where critics are coming from as I should fans.
(By the way: I will not be reviewing the film for this site. Those are decisions made elsewhere, and I also happen to write for other outlets. So while I should see the film tomorrow, when my name isn't on a review here on Friday, it's not flinching on my part.)
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7-22-2008 @ 12:23PM
Jen said...
It's too bad you won't be reviewing as I'm one of the few 'X-Philes' who always enjoyed reading your website. Though, for reasons that have nothing to do with XF but more to do with other sci-fi movies out there that I'm interested in (such as the Wolfman).
I don't want it to seem like I don't want a critics' review - good or bad. I do but sometimes I disagree and I like to voice that. That's not to say that just because I disagree that the reviewer is wrong. It's an opinion after all. I think what I find slightly unprofessional (not from you per se, but generally from some critics) is how they form their own bias and judgment when they read another critics' review in advance. I know this because one of my best friends is a reviewer for a newspaper and she fell victim to the same bias several times (now she formed a method not to read a single review before viewing the movie).
You should read the book The Four Agreements. It has a great example of how biased and judgmental we can be. The example is of a student talking to a friend telling him he's taking Professor So and So's class and his friend told him:"Oh man, that guy sucks. He's annoying and mean." - maybe his friend just wasn't good at the subject, maybe he dropped out, maybe he just didn't 'get' it. But with that in mind, Student 1 went into his new class with a judgment already formed in his mind. He had decided right away that he won't like that Professor without giving him a fair chance. He told other students about how this Professor "sucks". It was a chain reaction of bias just because one student failed to understand his teaching. Eventually Student 1 decided to drop out of a class he never even gave a fair chance to begin with.
I know it's slightly off topic but I thought I'd mention it.
7-22-2008 @ 1:00PM
William Goss said...
"It's too bad you won't be reviewing as I'm one of the few 'X-Philes' who always enjoyed reading your website."
Well, one of our writers WILL be reviewing it by week's end. Just not I.
"You should read the book The Four Agreements. It has a great example of how biased and judgmental we can be."
My list o' books only grows in length, but I'll put this one on there anyway.
7-22-2008 @ 9:45AM
Adam said...
You look nervous Mr. Goss.....Lets put a smile on that face.
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7-22-2008 @ 9:49AM
William Goss said...
Like a dog chasing cars, I suppose.
7-22-2008 @ 11:54AM
Margo said...
I just had to smile while reading this. I go to sites like Rotten Tomatoes primarily to read synopses. As a rule I don't care one way or another what a critic's opinion may be...sometimes I agree with them and sometimes I don't. As for the X-Files - I will apply the same technique of reserving judgment until I see the movie. What made me smile was the incredible arrogance of both critic and fan. Neither can abide the other, and each takes an incredible amount of wicked glee in sniping about it. The fans are fans, they aren't paid for their dedication, save through the viewing of their favorite films, television shows, etc. Its an emotional thing and reason rarely figures into it. Their arrogance in assuming that their opinion matters one whit is only justified when a critic gives credence to it. So though I can understand your pique, Mr. Goss, I think it was a supreme waste of time even writing this piece. You aren't going to stop the fans from crabbing about your (or any other critic's) reviews. They see your sort as having a larger platform than theirs to speak from, and unlike their buddies who may not like a movie they do, you even get paid for the privilege of gutting their favorite flicks in public forum. Perhaps someone in your position might consider getting nasty emails as counter-compensation, and the right of your audience to criticize you in turn, rather than telling them to shut up. That or consider hanging your hat as a blogger. After all, if you can't take the heat....
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7-22-2008 @ 1:05PM
William Goss said...
"So though I can understand your pique, Mr. Goss, I think it was a supreme waste of time even writing this piece."
In practical terms, this was no time at all wasted on my part, and per the headline of the piece, I am asking the more zealous fans to Simmer Down, not to Shut Up. Of course, everyone has a right to retort, but there's something to be said for civil virtual discourse as opposed to be clumsy gestures of broad slander.
Peter, Jen, and Chariot seem to understand where that line is. I'm not entirely sure that I can say the same for you.
7-22-2008 @ 4:09PM
Bob said...
Mr. Goss,
These fanboy rants and indignant posturings are the norm. Less not forget the death threats made against critics who dared to voice negative reviews of The Dark Knight. I often have to laugh at the comments on the cinematical blog that purport to know well in advance of actually seeing a movie it's worthiness. For months bloggers were ripping the film Wanted only to fall into silence once this highly entertaining film finally unspooled. I won't comment on the new X Files movie because I am one of those totally biased fans who is gonna love it because I love anything X Files. I confess my shortcomings in this regard and really only care that it will provide me with my full entertainment quota. Others are free to say whatever they want. Come on, everyone has something that cancels out their objectivity.
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