The Geek Beat: Take a Stand
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If you're a faithful Beat reader, you may remember that one of the very first installments dealt with the nasty, critical side of fandom. You know the types – the ones who spend so much time hating that nothing could satisfy them. (Seth Rogen summed it up in a pithy quote that, somehow, I only just caught: "They could find out Jesus Christ was making a movie with Frank Miller and they'd say, 'That's a terrible combination!'") But now, I'd like to address the other side of the coin – and yes, one side of it is defaced to help me decide these things – and that's the uncritical element of fandom. It's a side I didn't really grasp until I started writing here, where anything vaguely critical can be followed by screams of "You're such a hater!! You want it to fail!"
When I was at ComicCon, I tried to keep up with the news of the outside world. One of the "quietest" geek stories (and something I would have talked about much earlier, had con and editorial demands not sidetracked me) was the release of The X-Files: I Want to Believe. The bad reviews were pouring in right and left, even garnering heavy discussion on sites where the interests of geekdom are generally disdained. And no matter where you went, the comment fields were populated with X-Philes, and for every one who was verbose and rational, there were ten saying "F--- the haters! They want it to fail!"
When I was at ComicCon, I tried to keep up with the news of the outside world. One of the "quietest" geek stories (and something I would have talked about much earlier, had con and editorial demands not sidetracked me) was the release of The X-Files: I Want to Believe. The bad reviews were pouring in right and left, even garnering heavy discussion on sites where the interests of geekdom are generally disdained. And no matter where you went, the comment fields were populated with X-Philes, and for every one who was verbose and rational, there were ten saying "F--- the haters! They want it to fail!"
Now, before the X-Philes single me out to flame again, let me say I get it. I was an Agent Scully from the olden days. I loved the show so much, I nearly had "I want to believe" tattooed on my person. (What? I was like sixteen! Thankfully, there's consent laws.) The fact that I no longer had any interest in the franchise is insignificant – plenty of my friends did, and I respected that. I hated not being able to share their enthusiasm. But as the footage continued to be uninspiring, and the reviews bad, the refrain became "We have to see it anyway! Screw the haters! If we don't, there will never be anything X-Files again! They want it to fail!"
It was baffling to me. How could a segment of fandom be so blind? The advertising had been lazy, the trailers uninspiring, the interviews bland. Here I sat in a position of secretly wanting to be sucked in and won over by the new film. I wanted it to erase the sloppy television finale. I wanted a reason to dig out my Scully suit and wear it to ComicCon. It didn't happen. I knew X-Philes were being set up for a fall, and I hated to see it. And I don't know what frustrated me more – that the faithful were ignoring the blinking red warning signs, or that they were telling me that I needed to put the footwork in, make my own excitement, and pay to see a movie because it would be better the next time around.
Fans! This is not the way. Why should we continually let ourselves be abused? Why do we engage in this culture of obsessive, apologetic fandom. We need to stop apologizing for poor films, even if they herald the return of our favorite characters. When the bad press comes in, we need to heed it. We need to abandon this "I'll see it anyway" mentality because it doesn't work. It doesn't tell studios that you liked the concept, the characters, but not the film. It only says that you'll settle for anything. They'll keep giving you the cheapest and most poorly written installment possible because they know we'll keep apologizing for it.
I know it's difficult. I may have been able to turn my back on X-Files, but there are other movies where I might not be so strong. I like Wolverine, for example. I'm one of those dreadful geeks who still perks up any time his name is mentioned. (I don't buy the comics, but I still read them at Borders. I'm very cheap.) I'm pretty excited for X-Men Origins: Wolverine, but if bad press starts pouring in, will I be able to stay away? I don't know. My own weakness makes it difficult for me to wag my finger at fans who plug their ears with a "lalalalaitwillbeawesome lalalala" when everyone is telling them not to bother with a movie. We all succumb, we all decide we need to make our own minds up, critics be damned. But we really do need to start being more discriminating. We need to stop funding sloppy filmmaking just because it's a brand we adore. We need to stop funding it in general, but the temptation is so much stronger when it's Mulder, Scully, Indiana Jones or Wolverine. It's easy to ignore a bad movie, but it's difficult to shun on your childhood friends when they're waiting, patiently, for you to come see them at the multiplex.
But, perhaps we can all take the first step here online. And that's admitting we have a problem. When bad criticism pours in, let's not start flaming the critics and bloggers. I say this because I'm one of "them." I get called a hater and a naysayer the moment I dare to criticize anything – and I'm not alone, it plagues all of us who dare put pen to paper. I can assure you that none of us want a movie to fail. We don't get up in the morning and pray, fervently, that X-Files, The Mummy: Tomb of the Dragon Emperor, or The Spirit will fail. "Oh, please let it be bad! Oh, let it be horrible so that my reporting can crush the hopes and dreams of fans!" None of us want to watch bad movies, none of us want to write about them. And we aren't gleefully jumping on a bandwagon of hate. If we're all complaining about a movie, that's because it's not very good. And as someone who wears her fandom on her sleeve, I know what it's like to be disappointed. Just because I'm on the reporting end of the movie world doesn't mean I have shed my mortal coil. I'm subject to the same passions as the rest of you, the same elation and disappointment. So are my colleagues. It's why we do what we do.
Now, if you excuse me, I have to go to Borders. I'm way behind on Wolverine: Origins. I think this next issue will be the one that explains away the crappy son he never knew.
Reader Comments (Page 1 of 1)
8-05-2008 @ 1:28PM
malren said...
"If we're all complaining about a movie, that's because it's not very good."
Oh GOD YES. Thank you. A thousand times, thank you.
I was not only a Phile, but a 'Shipper and a CSM fan and I once wrote a Skinner/Mulder slashfic and I'm a *dude*. I never wanted to see this movie fail, but Chris Carter managed to beat my love of these characters right out of me. The guy is a great idea man, but terrible at making those ideas reality. He's a hack writer and a terrible director. There. It's been said. Someone else should have helmed this movie.
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8-05-2008 @ 1:35PM
Matthew said...
this is what i do when i hear bad press about a movie i want to see, if the reviews aren't good wait for it to come out on DVD, then rent it (Netflix it) and if you like it, buy the DVD. if it really does suck...start in with the hate mail.
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8-05-2008 @ 2:41PM
Jeff said...
So you mean I have to have the same opinion as everyone else about movies? I should listen to all of the reviews and because someone at the LA Times or the New Yorker don't like something I have been a fan of for over a decade I should abandon my fandom over some 1000 word review?
I'm sorry, but that is the most narrow minded thing to say. We shouldn't all have the same tastes, that would be one hell of a boring world. I enjoyed the X-Files movie, and I really liked the third Mummy flick. And you know what? Indy IV was a good flick.
I don't feel cheated by filmmakers looking to make a buck off our fandom. You people who base your entertainment intake off of the reviews of overpaid word processor jockeys who don't know the first thing about what people like, are narrow minded, and are contributing to the downfall of American cinema.
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8-05-2008 @ 3:02PM
GL said...
I won't tell you what to like or not. That is an individual choice. Lord knows I love some movies that other people find detestable.
However, as soon as you start in on the "overpaid" reviewers, you lose me. If I take as input the review of a writer I know has historically shown a high agreement factor with what I like, I don't think I'm contributing to the downfall of American cinema. I'm just using good sense and adding it to the myriad other inputs that will fuel my decision to see (or not) a movie, including reviews, trailers, friends and family.
I believe your reaction is partially what Rappe is talking about. You could just make the point that you like the movie, but you go further into why those that didn't (and get paid to write about it) don't know anything and the people that read those reviews are even further down the ladder toward cinema hell.
8-05-2008 @ 4:01PM
Jonathan Kuhn said...
You lost me at "Indy IV was a good flick."
8-05-2008 @ 3:10PM
dukrous said...
It's this same mentality that leads to awful anime video games. You have to be loyal to the brand, but not the product. Demand quality...it doesn't serve your favorite brand any to be the star of something no one wants to see. That's the lesson The Dark Knight taught us...look, it's a good fucking movie and it's erased from the memory the shit Schumacher made while saying "it's a comic book...what did you expect?" Batman and Robin failed and they went back to basics.
Granted, I did see Batman and Robin in the theaters, but I snuck in and went to see the trainwreck on purpose. I had a wonderful time, btw.
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8-05-2008 @ 3:29PM
WendyD said...
I still don't get why people think the X-Files: IWTB was so bad. I'm a huge fan and have been for years, so I had hopes, but not crazy huge hopes. I just wanted some time with Mulder and Scully, which I got in spades. I stay away from reviews and trailers for any film I'm even remotely interested in these days and I really don't have huge expectations for movies in general, even though I love movies. I realize now I wasn't even in the country for the 6 months before the first X-Files movie came out, so I don't know what the hype and the critics were saying about that one, but I thought this new movie was solid. I've seen it three times now, with different other fans each time. I've enjoyed it more and more each time and all the fans I've gone to the show with have all loved it too. *shrug*
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8-05-2008 @ 3:36PM
Petro1734 said...
Oh, thank you for saving us from ourselves ! What would we do without you blogging "critics" telling us how to think ?
What a load of pretentious bullshit !
First off, people SHOULD NOT decide whether to go see a movie by listening to what a "critic" has to say. That's for the casual movie goer who is just looking for something to do.
So it's safe to assume that most of the folks reading this site and those like it aren't casual movie fans.
If someone truly loves the art of cinema they THINK FOR THEMSELVES. Film is a subjective medium, critique the film using YOUR OWN sensibilites, not the masses. And certainly not that of ONE person. That's fucking weak.
It's that laziness and apathy that allows for such insulting and arrogant posts like this one (and the hundreds like it on the internet) to come about. Where these "critics" not only try to tell us what we should consider good, they also have the audacity to try and control OUR reaction to THEIR reaction....WTF!?!
Take a stand ?
You're fucking right I will.
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8-05-2008 @ 3:56PM
Gina said...
Good post. And great caption on the picture. :-)
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8-05-2008 @ 4:13PM
Tucker said...
Love your stuff dearly, Elisabeth, and I like your point, but I have to respectfully disagree with your example. I actually had pretty low hopes for the flick based on nega-buzz, but I got bored and caught a Sunday matinee opening weekend. I enjoyed it quite a bit. I can't put it much better than this post does, so I'll reference:
http://popwatch.ew.com/popwatch/2008/08/the-x-files-i-w.html
Anyway, I think you're correct in stating that we should take a stand against crap. But I think you need to make sure "everyone" really is "everyone." People are entitled to their opinions, and blind lemmings saying "you just want to kill it because you're a hater" are dumb. At the same time, though, I don't agree that this particular example works in the framework of fans "being abused" as you put it :)
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8-05-2008 @ 4:15PM
Moo said...
First of all, X-Files: IWTB sucked. It was almost wholly uninteresting. The plot was like a third-tier standalone ep from Season 7 or something.
Wendy- I feel you, I really do, there are films where I just want to spend some time with the characters too, and that alone will make it worth it for me. Because i'm not a X-Phile that wasn't enough for me here...and absent that I think there is very little to like in that film. Just my honest opinion.
Petro- swearing is the linguistic crutch of the ignorant. Don't get me wrong, I swear too, but you sound much more eloquent if you can avoid it in a discussion. Just food for thought. Of course, you weren't looking for discussion, you're just looking to flame. OF COURSE we should make up our minds for ourselves...at the end of the day that's what Ms. Rappe is saying! We should not let our love for a "brand" color our thoughts and cause us to flame others who may happen to disagree with us, particularly when we are talking about what is, arguably, a very bad movie. My take on the post isn't that the writer is telling us what to think or how to react...just the opposite in fact. But i'm certain those nuances will be lost on you.
Unfortunately I don't have the time to see everything that comes out. I wont, for example, be seeing the Mummy. While I'd prefer to judge for myself, let's be honest, why would I want to waste the time and endure the pain of watching garbage thrown at a screen?? Therefore, I have a small group of trusted friends, reviewers, and (gasp!) bloggers that I turn to when I'm on the fence about seeing something. I don't feel bad about that...it's just real life.
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8-05-2008 @ 4:42PM
scottR said...
Wow, sure are getting the reactions from both sides on the fanboy spectrum. I guess that's kinda the point. We have to admit that there is subjectivity on appreciation of movies. For example, some liked The Incredible Hulk, some didn't. Some appreciated Ang Lee's Hulk more and some less.
On the other hand, we have to admit that there is a majority opinion on some movies. Most people loved TDK, and most people weren't really appreciative of X-Files: IWTB.
Denying either situation is incorrect. However, this rarely is the problem. It's people thinking someone ELSE is denying the situation that's the matter. Anonymous message boards and an audience rarely help in communication of these things, so the problem will persist forever. Good thing its not that big of a deal :)
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8-06-2008 @ 12:49AM
PST said...
I don't think Elisabeth (I'd call you Ms Rappe but it makes you sound older that you are, so please forgive my jumping to a first-name basis) was saying that negative critical consensus tends not to reflect a conspiracy against a franchise, director, actor, or whatever, so much as a great number of independent decisions that such and such a film was bad. You don't have to agree; you just have to acknowledge that, while the film might be good (and we all like at least one movie that's generally considered bad), a lot of people whose job is to see and evaluate films, some of whom have very similar taste in films to you, saw it and found it lacking based on its own merits.
A fan's, at least of the type under discussion, response to such a negative consensus is to ascribe some sort of ulterior motive to those making it up, but that's silly. Critics love to champion films that are being rejected by everybody else, just as they like to write the dissenting opinion when everybody else loves a film. They certainly prefer it to writing the same thing as everybody else. But sometimes the film doesn't allow them to go against the grain; sometimes it really is that bad/good.
And, ultimately, if you're a fan of a franchise, you have to let that possibility penetrate, even if only as a possibility. It's possible that the film with the characters and stories you've loved and really want to support is just bad, and there's no way to get a good one until you refuse to accept the bad. If Batman and Robin had made 400 million in a few weeks, do you think we'd ever have had The Dark Knight?
If you love your franchise, don't let them make it poorly. Don't give them money unless they're willing to make you a product worth paying for. The way you can accomplish that is to use critics for their one and only purpose: as exemplars of taste. If you know that such-and-such a critic almost always disagrees with you, don't listen to him; but if this one over here usually says things you agree with, maybe take her at her word when she says that the movie is terrible.
That's it. You don't have to have a homogeneous opinion of films. You just have to acknowledge that it's best to treat a bad movie like a bad movie no matter how much you want it to be good; you can still determine what a bad movie is yourself.
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8-06-2008 @ 5:07AM
Gary said...
Good article Elisabeth and pretty much summed up my feelings nicely.
Petro, I have this same argument with a friend of mine about movies. Her view is pretty much the same as yours, she thinks she is thinking for herself by not listening to critics and thus pays to watch Indie 4, the Happening etc..
My view is that she is just going to see the movies that Hollywood want her too, whatever movie has the biggest marketing budget that week is usually the one she ends up seeing, so is that really thinking for yourself? is that really a better way to choose than to listen to critics who's opinion and tastes you come to trust and rely on?
There are often at least 4-5 movies released a week, do you really watch them all? If you go and see every release, every small budget indie and every foreign language movie released then fair enough you have your argument. If not though you need to make a choice. So are you going to watch what the marketing men want you to watch or are you going to listen to the thoughts of film lovers before you make your choice?
I listen to Mark Kermode every week and read Cinematical every day, a selection of reviewers whom I have got to understand their tastes and how they fit into my tastes and make my decision from there. And I tell you what, I have got to see some amazing movies over the last few years that I would never had seen otherwise. It is because of sites like this that I have discovered a whole world of movies I never knew existed. Otherwise I would haven just been stuck watching movies like Indie 4 for the rest of my life.
Oh, and by the way, I do not always believe everything the critics say. I went to see the X-Files the other night and it was crap. The script was probably the weakest and laziest of any film I have seen this year.
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8-06-2008 @ 7:04AM
Elisabeth said...
Thanks for what has been a great discussion so far, everyone. :D Such awesome, well-written comments! I feel so warm and fuzzy.
I was really reluctant to throw in a defense of critics and bloggers, as this wasn't supposed to be about the opinion of the "professionals," and more about fans rejecting inferior product...but it just kind of happened, and is an inevitable part of the discussion of "bad buzz." I probably should have tempered it with a "and if your friends say it sucks, listen to them!" :P
And yeah, we ALL like movies that the rest of the world hates -- I probably have a shelf or two of them -- and it's important to make your own mind up, especially as ten years can turn a critical failure into a cherished classic. But, in this age of franchises and quick bucks, I think it's very important to be a little more discerning and send a message in whatever way we can. I hate this idea that fans will gobble anything up, you know?
But like I said, I can talk when I turn my back on Wolverine and all his spin-off movies and comics. ;)
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8-07-2008 @ 2:29PM
Petro1734 said...
; )