Fan Rant: How 'Saw V' Could Actually Be Good
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I defended the Saw franchise long past the point where most self-respecting cinephiles and even genre geeks abandoned it. It was only after the moronic, baffling Saw IV that I got off the bandwagon. But as someone who thinks the franchise has (had?) something to offer beyond the admittedly questionable thrills of what smug know-nothings call "torture porn," I'm anticipating this month's annual installment with an ever-so-slight glimmer of hope. The first three films took a gimmicky serial killer concept and expanded it to something big and increasingly baroque, piling on twist after twist that, to me, consistently seemed bold rather than (merely) ludicrous. They were gruesome, yes, but they were also moody and visually exciting; Darren Lynn Bousman, in particular, seemed to take painstaking care in the second and third films to construct a cruel, self-contained universe around the crazy-ass story.
So here, briefly, are three things Saw V -- which sees the franchise's production designer David Hackl take over directing duties from Bousman -- could do to avoid the pitfalls of its immediate predecessor and restore my faith in the series.
1. Think it through. No one sane would contend that any of the Saw films have been paragons of plausibility. But the first three made sense in the context of the universe they set up. Of course it's impossible for anyone to plan with Jigsaw's precision, but if you accept his near-omniscience as part of the film's premise, everything else more or less works. Saw IV, on the other hand, is simply impossible -- I don't envy the screenwriters having to deal with the death of the franchise centerpiece at the end of the third film, but the temporal tricks they tried to pull in response just made the movie an incoherent mess. Crazy and out-there is fine -- that's the series' bread and butter -- but you have to think it through, make it work. The standard isn't high, but Saw IV didn't meet it.
2. Respect the style. The franchise isn't just about cracking bones and impalings with sharp metal instruments. It has a distinct, recognizable style, mostly perfected by Bousman in films 2 and 3: it's cold and harsh, but it's also earnest and totally unironic, like some of John Carpenter's films if Carpenter were more fond of flashy edits and camera tricks. The visual fireworks are sometimes overelaborate, but as with the overelaborate stories, that's part of the charm. That slick, extended series of flashbacks at the end of Saw III may not have been strictly necessary, but it was damn cool, even powerful. Sadly, Saw IV exhibited a tendency to retreat to bland, lazy doom-and-gloom in lieu of its predecessors' ambition. I hope David Hackl puts in the effort.
3. Take Jigsaw seriously. The third film was the only one to attempt to do something interesting with the notion that Jigsaw is in the business of presenting his victims with moral dilemmas: he's constantly trying -- even hoping -- to find people who are up to his standards, but they always fail him. It's goofy, since he's a brutal murderer, but that too is part of the charm. Explore this. What kind of person would actually pass one of his tests? What happens if you do?
Thoughts? Is there hope?
Reader Comments (Page 1 of 1)
10-02-2008 @ 12:41PM
Riley Freeman said...
finallyyyyyyyyyyyyyy u guys show some kind of love to saw. ive been wondering where any of the coverage has been.
i agree with everything you said. i always say that the bad guy in the saw mvoies is actually the good guy. he does things usually to criminals or to some people like u said that need to meet his standards. saw 4 i was unahpyp with the cop being the guy and im hopingggggggggggggggg they fix this. i think my biggest problem with saw was that they killed off he star too early. half of the movies the star will be dead. how does that work when 3 out of 6 movies the killer is dead.? whose doing the voices? these are things i find frustrating.
nevertheless im a big fan and i buy all of the ddvs (well now blu ray) and i hope they find a way to fix the saw 4 mistakes. but im guessing they will probably make the wife the new killer or something. anyways i cant wait
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10-02-2008 @ 1:33PM
Jonathan Kuhn said...
Actually, that series of flashbacks at the end of Saw III is the thing I hated most about the series. It wasn't needed at all, but it went above and beyond annoying when it showed the image of the woman being shot THREE times even though it had JUST HAPPENED before the montage began.
Otherwise, I think the movies are just fine for what they are.
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10-02-2008 @ 1:52PM
Josh Brunsting said...
I see where you guys are coming from, but I think the biggest thing about the saw films, or any genre flick that is, is that if it doesn't appeal to you, than you just won't like it. I love horror films, but have a real tough time sitting through people being maticulously torn apart and tortured. That said, I really like the first two, when it was something fresh. If they could have kept the whole series fresh, with a new style and a different sort of plot, then I think it would work. However, the style isn't something that bugs me, outside of the edits, it's just the genre. Therefore, I'm not the best one to agree or disagree, I just thought I would put my thoughts in...
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10-02-2008 @ 2:26PM
ML said...
The first one: clever ... and bonus, William Emerson! Unfortunately, the later ones didn't do much with the premise and went downhill. Call 'em "slasher" or "torture" or whatever, I'll accept the "gross-out" (as Stephen King puts it), but only if the film gives me something interesting (plot, character, theme) in return. Otherwise, it's just grim.
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10-02-2008 @ 2:37PM
Eddie said...
Everything past Saw II to me seemed like it was catering to the reality TV crowd and being real stingy with the reality. Ooh, how convenient, everyone starts turning on each other and the people who think they ought to work together are too weak and don't live long enough to make a difference!
The saw series stopped being cool and hyper realistic after the second one. Hostel took over the space Saw failed to fill after creating it.
Make it realistic (esque), write the human characters (the cops, the victims) as though they were semi-intelligent and have at least some desire and skills to survive and we could be back in business. I'm not holding my breath (but I am holding my wallet).
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10-02-2008 @ 4:23PM
AJ Wiley said...
I don't think I'm a "know-nothing" for calling torture porn exactly what it is: Torture porn. People get fucked up. There's lots of blood. A dumb plot. An even dumber villain. Nothing of substance occurs. Torture porn.
I saw the first Saw, and never plan on seeing any of the others. There is no inventiveness, no originality, nothing that I love so much about the best horror movies.
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10-02-2008 @ 4:57PM
Riley Freeman said...
i have to say something. after what u just said of saw please tell me what do u think woudl be a good horror/psychological flick. please leave out seven and 12 monkeys etc... etc... leave out the classics
10-02-2008 @ 5:34PM
GL said...
This bit is played out. I have no hope that the next film will resemble at all the best parts of the first 2 films....that is, other than it being a soulless, formulaic retread of those films.
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10-03-2008 @ 5:44AM
John said...
I'm surprised at your defense of Saw II, which I thought was a mess besides Donnie Wahlberg's Eric Matthews and Tobin Bell's Jigsaw. The whole house full of traps plot was boring to me since Obi's was the only one that could have really caught them off guard. That razor box trap was pure stupidity, since the only way you could be trapped was to not have someone else there to help you get out or you unnecessarily stick both your arms into it. Saw III solidified the series as a horror series and not a thriller series, although some great visual work in the traps, it was a "what other ways can we kill people" thing. Saw IV interested me because it COULD have worked but the writers made certain details of it not match up at all and made Jigsaw too omniscient, knowing what every single person would be doing. Also, by this point most of the traps didn't matter because besides the first trap (which was great by the way), we basically knew if the characters were going to live or die.
They have gotten too carried away on the horror aspect of these movies and have lost touch that the focus is on the ideas like what would you do to stay alive? Do you live life to the fullest? The best part of Saw IV to me was the flashback stuff with Jigsaw. His first trap, so simplistic, was probably the most effective in the movie.
I just hope they get back to the characters and not feel they have to develop these crazy ways to kill people.
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