Discuss: Roger, Dodger
Filed under: Comedy, Gay & Lesbian, Independent
Earlier this week, Roger Ebert posted with his new batch of reviews one for the indie film Tru Loved, of which I personally know little aside from its opening in limited release this past Friday. Ebert's review is included among the six currently constituting that film's dead-even Tomatometer.
The twist is, Ebert admits to only having made it through the first eight minutes of the film before shutting it off. Normally, that's not exactly cricket, but considering how many movies he's seen, how many reviews he's written, how many Pulitzer Prizes he's won (and occasionally brandished), for him to say within that span of time that "I'm sure its heart is in the right place, but it fails at fundamentals we take for granted when we go to the movies" carries an appropriate heft. After all, he admits that "the rating only applies to the first eight minutes. After that, you're on your own."
He has subsequently linked to a lively blog discussion in which he defends his decision, while others chime in (most with careful consideration; others insist that Ebert should quit for such shenanigans). How about you guys: what's the earliest that you've ever given up on a movie (let's stick with theatrical experiences, as opposed to flippant channel surfing)? Are you cool with any reviewer pulling something like this, so long as they're open about it? What about when it's such an illustrious critic as Ebert throwing in the towel?









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10-19-2008 @ 1:07PM
DylanG said...
This is unprofessional any way you cut it. I'm all for turning off movies that aren't proving to be enjoyable. But to review a movie, you MUST watch the whole movie to make a final judgement on it. His whole excuse that the "rating only applies to the first 8 minutes" is just plain ignorant. The film is still listed with the negative rating on his site, which will lead many people who don't read the review to assume the movie is bad, when he's in no place to make that judgement.
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10-19-2008 @ 1:08PM
Mark H Wilkinson said...
Depends how you define quitting. I purposely walked out of "Black Hawk Down" after an hour of its assaulting my senses; there may be great technical achievement there, but I just found it unwatchable (or at least unlistenable).
On the other hand, I found "Batman Begins" so engrossing that I fell asleep in under an hour...
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10-19-2008 @ 1:10PM
William Goss said...
Not sure about the sleep criteria. I mean, I've nodded off during a good movie or two, but when I flat-out tried to fall asleep during a screening of Happily N'Ever After, it was as if the movie wouldn't let me...
10-19-2008 @ 1:29PM
Herff said...
I have to agree with Dylan. I do think he had every right to give up on the movie if he thought it was that bad, and I'm ok with him only reviewing the first 8 minutes, but the way it displays on his site is completely misleading. He should have given the star rating an NA or said right at the beginning that it was a partial review. Of course it is also up to the reader to look for more than one person's opinion before deciding to see or not see a movie, especially if one of the reviews they are reading is from Ebert.
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10-19-2008 @ 1:30PM
William Goss said...
"Of course it is also up to the reader to look for more than one person's opinion before deciding to see or not see a movie, especially if one of the reviews they are reading is from Ebert."
Agreed.
10-19-2008 @ 1:38PM
Paul said...
It's pretty weak that Ebert would do that, but not unexpected.
He's been going downhill for a number of years, and I'm not even sure
he watches any of the movies he reviews all the way through.
Read his reviews for Wanted and Tropic Thunder and notice how he mentions one or two plot points from each movie that are clearly incorrect (and one could know that they're wrong even just by watching the trailers of the movies).
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10-19-2008 @ 2:33PM
Peter Hall said...
I don't find anything wrong with it. If the obstacles up front are insurmountable, why even bother finishing it? I'm fine with any critic doing this, actually. Should a food critic devour every bite if the first two are revolting? Should a game critic sit through 20+ hours of gameplay if the first 2 hours are miserable? As long as it is disclosed, I have no problem with extrapolation.
It's not like Ebert is a building inspector who must examine every rivet for safety's sake. Movies are linear, if the filmmaker cannot provide enough incentive to move on down the line, why suffer through it?
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10-19-2008 @ 2:51PM
eugene said...
agreed.
10-19-2008 @ 4:58PM
Tyler said...
Ebert is and forever will be the most illustrious film critic. He said in his review that this was only like the second movie he has walked out on. I find it perfectly fine. Ebert has seen enough movies in his day and he knows what's what. And I tend to give him the benefit of the doubt. The fact that he was honest enough to come out and say he walked out is the difference between him and a lot of other film critics. I mean this isn't even a big deal, it is only because it is Ebert that anyone even cares and that should something about the caliber of this mans reputation. And lets be real whether people like or dislike or don't care about what he's done it won't really effect him, he won't be fired, he won't be "picketed", and I sure hope he doesn't quit. This was just one independent movie, that he choose to see, that he walked out on, it had to happen sometime.
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10-19-2008 @ 9:10PM
YouFaceTheTick said...
I try for 20 minutes but i didn't last that long on a few recently. You know crap when you see it...
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10-19-2008 @ 10:02PM
Paul said...
I'm reminded of Loveline and how Drew and Adam could sometimes know everything about a caller from hearing how they said 'hello'. When you've seen and written about as many movies as Ebert has, I grant full license in detecting garbage in the first 8 minutes and knowing the rest isn't worth watching.
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10-20-2008 @ 8:06AM
Luke said...
Maybe eight minutes in he realized he had a life he'd rather live.
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10-20-2008 @ 8:37AM
taustin said...
Ebert's probably got a higher ability to sniff out the crap, so perhaps his 8 minutes is understandable -- he's been in the business longer than I've been alive.
Usually, it's about 20 minutes in when I give up. 'Congo' was my first walk-out. 'Alexander' one of the more recent turkeys that come to mind.
Still wish to this day I'd left 'Pearl Harbor'.
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10-20-2008 @ 4:09PM
Herff said...
Thank you! I couldn't remember the last movie I'd given up on, cause I go back and finish just about everything, but I gave up on Pearl Harbor after maybe an hour.
10-20-2008 @ 1:07PM
rockyOnasis said...
I think that what he did was definitely provocative, but he does state in the review that it only covers eight minutes. Most critics would have walked out and left it at that, instead Ebert used his review to spark discussion. He could have sat through the whole film and lambasted it, instead he made a decision based on a long career of watching and reviewing film. Sounds to me like the filmmakers got off easy. First time directors should cut out his review and keep it in their wallets.
-The only movie I ever walked out of was Charlie's Angels. It was at the ten minute mark. Now I don't walk out, I just fall asleep.
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10-20-2008 @ 1:07PM
Brian said...
Dragon Wars. I was watching it at home, and I ejected the DVD 10 minutes into the movie. It wasn't even worth that much of my time.
Terrible, terrible, terrible movie.
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10-20-2008 @ 1:07PM
kevjohn said...
I applaud Ebert for employing the "Life is Too Short" principal in his everyday life. I was wondering about his 1/2-star review for "Tru Loved", but I didn't get the chance to read it to find out the details. Now I am intrigued.
The earliest I ever walked out of a film is about 6 minutes into Juno. I walked out right after the pregnancy test/convenience store scene. "No way I'm sitting through shitty hipster doofus dialogue like this for an entire movie" I said to myself. That was the weekend it opened. After hearing about how blogging great it was from everyone and their teenage unwed mother, I decided to give it another shot and went back a few months later. I only got through the second viewing with a lot of patience and the assistance of a flask full of Captain and Coke.
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