The Geek Beat: Sometimes I'd Like to Get My Hands on a Sequel
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Punisher: War Zone came, the weekend box office was tallied, and ... well, it looks like Frank Castle might not come back again. Do we want that? I don't.
In truth, I can't mount a very spirited defense of the film. I liked it all right, but I left feeling disappointed – something bound to happen after the orgasmic reactions from my esteemed colleagues all over the Internet. I went in expecting to be blown away by B-level madness, but instead felt kind of bored in the talky middle. I don't want to say something like "Leave the dialogue out of a Punisher movie!" because I'm not that shallow. Plus, Castle is a character with gravitas, he has to have some strong and silent moments. I just felt the film veered a little too wildly between camp and solemnity ... and I can't even say which of the two I wish War Zone should have been.
I can let most of my criticisms slide as petty, though -- my main complaint is that there just wasn't enough of the Punisher. I thought that Ray Stevenson was fantastic as Frank Castle, which is probably predictable given the way I heaped praise on the casting choice whenever I could. But he was perfect, putting it all in the eyes and weary posture, a stoic center to a lot of freaky moments.
In truth, I can't mount a very spirited defense of the film. I liked it all right, but I left feeling disappointed – something bound to happen after the orgasmic reactions from my esteemed colleagues all over the Internet. I went in expecting to be blown away by B-level madness, but instead felt kind of bored in the talky middle. I don't want to say something like "Leave the dialogue out of a Punisher movie!" because I'm not that shallow. Plus, Castle is a character with gravitas, he has to have some strong and silent moments. I just felt the film veered a little too wildly between camp and solemnity ... and I can't even say which of the two I wish War Zone should have been.
I can let most of my criticisms slide as petty, though -- my main complaint is that there just wasn't enough of the Punisher. I thought that Ray Stevenson was fantastic as Frank Castle, which is probably predictable given the way I heaped praise on the casting choice whenever I could. But he was perfect, putting it all in the eyes and weary posture, a stoic center to a lot of freaky moments.
Stevenson is not going to get the props he deserves from the mainstream press because it was such an understated (and arguably underused) performance. It actually felt like he was relegated to a side character who was talked about more than he was seen, which is the wrong place for a title hero. Again, this may be a matter of personal perception, but I am pretty sure that Jigsaw got more screen time than the title hero. Then again, I can hardly blame them for letting Dominic West run wild -- he looked as though he was having the time of his life. What scarred, infectious enthusiasm! Who am I to deny him a single minute?
Despite being left vaguely unsatisfied, I really don't want Punisher: War Zone to be a one shot deal. There was an awful lot I liked about it. As origin stories go, it was perfect, the lines deftly colored in without a lot of fuzzy flashbacks and internal anguish. (Those have their place, but come on – the decision to slap on a skull t-shirt and punish the corrupt isn't one to be lingered over.) It captured the twisted talent of Garth Ennis, where you're not sure if you're supposed to laugh or wince – and there should always be more Ennis on the big screen. I loved the neon look, which screamed (literally, his panels are bright) Steve Dillon to me whether it was meant to or not. As silly and disposable as it sounds, my issues with the film could actually be resolved by a sequel. War Zone felt like that first issue of a run, the issue that is a little clunky and uneven to the point that you're not sure whether it's hooked you or not. But you go buy the second anyway, following your gut instinct that it's going to take off.
And War Zone is really at that point for me. Castle's grim declaration (ad-libbed, apparently) "This is just the beginning" can't be left hanging. It's begging to be answered in numerous films of bloodthirsty vengeance as Castle takes on all manner of organized crime and villains. Bring on Barracuda! Bring on the sex trade! There's plenty of good stories for him to take on. And if you think my argument is made solely to see more of Stevenson in a skull shirt / bulletproof vest, you would be only half right. Sure, I want to see Stevenson get another shot at the character, but it's really that action cinema needs a guy like the Punisher. He's the guy who actually fulfills the needs of two audiences – we, the devoted comic readers, and those who are longing for the days of those hard-edged 70s revenge thrillers.
In fact, I have a decent case study for this in my dad (he of the Magnum 45) who absolutely adored the movie. I was pretty surprised by that, as normally he can be heard complaining "not more comic book movies!" I suspect his glowing review was because Frank Castle essentially is Harry Callahan ... if Callahan met the Sopranos, lost his sense of humor, and fell completely off the grid. A lot of people want a return to the days of Death Wish, and since Jason Statham can't be the only one kicking glorious B-movie ass, I say we bring in the Punisher. Castle is so far removed from the traditional Marvel Universe that he can attract the audiences who otherwise avoid all things superheroic. He's the closest thing to Nolan's Batman that Marvel has. It would be a shame to waste him.
(And really Marvel, consider this – upon learning Castle came from your world, my dad immediately asked me where he could get his hands on some Punisher comics. And we're not talking single-issues, he wants the trades. You just earned yourself a new customer! How many more like him are there?)
I'll turn it over to you, my readers, because Christmas is the time for sharing your Punisher thoughts, hopes, and dreams. You know what I want from you. Have at it.
Reader Comments (Page 1 of 1)
12-09-2008 @ 2:26PM
Pat Campbell said...
Totally agree, I really want to see a second one, because I think Ray Stevenson was awesome as Frank Castle, and the movie was just the first step in the way the serious should be going. Now that the origin is out of the way once again, the second movie can be bigger and better, given the chance to be. I just hope it all works out, the Punisher is a great character who deserves to be on the big screen.
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12-09-2008 @ 2:34PM
Mike said...
I was prepared to not see this until I read a review that likened it to Robocop and Starship Troopers. Those two movies were tons of fun so I decided to give Punisher a chance and the movie exceeded all of my expectations. Hope to see a sequel.
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12-09-2008 @ 3:20PM
Julie said...
HERE! HERE! I completely agree. Ray Stevenson was great, and as a basic get your feet wet origin story it was fine and dandy. My only real disappointment was not enough Punisher on screen. I really did feel he took second fiddle to the bad guys. I was hoping for a bit more frantic action, with more swinging from chandeliers and repelling off balconies like the opening scene. I loved the way he dropped in the dark and you could just see the faint flicker of the skull on his armor. If anything, I felt he wiped up the guys in the hotel a bit too easily at the end. More violence please!
Listen up Marvel and bring the Punisher back bigger and badder than ever. We really do need a Harry Callahan for the next generation. Bring it on.
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12-09-2008 @ 6:02PM
d said...
I believe that should have been he of the magnum 44 not 45...
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12-09-2008 @ 6:11PM
Elisabeth said...
Harry Callahan carried a Magnum 44, yes. But that reference was actually to my dad, who carried a 45 because the Denver Police Department wouldn't let him have a 44. :) If you click the link, there's a little Thanksgiving story about my dad and Dirty Harry. It was an insider reference no one could possibly get, lol.
12-10-2008 @ 12:55AM
d said...
That's right! I had read your story about your dad and his .45 and had forgotten it. I hope you didn't take my comment as being too snide or anything. Because I agree, even though I haven't seen the new Punisher, we definitely need a Dirty Harry for today. I am so sick and tired of Hollywood remaking old movies again and again and wonder if they just have run out of origional ideas or are just afraid to spend the money on the new.
But enough of my ranting, please, blog away. I enjoy your posts more than most because your writing is better than some of the others.
12-10-2008 @ 12:58AM
Elisabeth said...
Oh, I didn't think you were being snide at all. I figured it was too obscure -- I write these posts at like 4am, so things that make sense to me then might not to anyone else, you know? :)
But thanks for the compliment. I'm glad you enjoyed the post!
12-10-2008 @ 1:05AM
d said...
At 4am, be proud it makes sense to you, much less anyone else! Keep me up that late, and I am more of a blathering idiot than normal. I would be reduced to pecking at keys at random with one finger.
Speaking of which, now I have gone and made myself tired!
12-09-2008 @ 9:04PM
DanJack said...
Elizabeth,
You are one amazing woman! Your insightful comments quicken the geek heart! ;-)
I couldn't agree more. I really enjoyed Ray's turn at Castle, and I also thought Lexi's visual flair in the film was great. I don't know why, but for some reason I kept thinking of Robert Rodriguez's visual style in Desparado while I was watching The Punisher. Also, I think the very last shot in the movie is one of the coolest endings I have seen in some time. It was just so badass!
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12-10-2008 @ 12:59AM
Elisabeth said...
Aww thanks, Dan. :) I try...!
12-09-2008 @ 5:19PM
mezzanine said...
I thought it was excellent, most fun I had seeing a movie this year. I didn't mind the slow bits, at least it never got as slow as The Dark Knight. Damn box office. I need more Punisher.
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12-09-2008 @ 6:01PM
Greg said...
I think that once it comes on DVD/Blu-Ray will be the test whether or not there is a sequel. When the last Punisher movie came out on DVD it did so well that it warranted this movie.
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12-09-2008 @ 9:01PM
James said...
I agree completely. I think comicbook fans expected this film to be worse than the Dolph Lundgren version, and simply chose to stay far away. If I hadn't stumbled upon an interview with the director, I wouldn't have gone myself.
But this was a very entertaining film, and delivered the kind of violence that was lacking in the Thomas Jane version. I did feel that the second act needed another big Punisher scene, like the two that bookended the film.
Ray Stevenson was a perfect choice to play Frank Castle, and I'd love to see him get to realize those sequel ideas.
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12-12-2008 @ 12:31AM
Anthony said...
I agree 100% as well. I was completely thrilled with the entire movie. Ray Stevenson IS the Punisher. I really want more with him. And I do agree the middle might have needed a bit more juice, but I was laughing right along with Jigsaw during his scenes. He was very Nicholson Jokeresque, and it worked extremely well I thought.
We've gotta do whatever we can to show Marvel that this was what we wanted and is deserving of a sequel. Like you said it does feel like the first in a series. "This is just the beginning." Well we want the middle, and end then,cause this movie rocked.
On a side note, I met Thomas Jane at Comic-Con this year. Got a chance to talk with him for quite awhile. He said that he was pissed that he wasnt gonna be the Punisher anymore, but that he really didnt like or agree with what they (Marvel) wanted to do with the character. Well with all due respect to Mr. Jane, whom I still like tremendously as an actor, you were freakin' wrong to pass this up. This had everything his Punisher movie was lacking. A true hard edge.
I'm a Ray Stevenson fan now.
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1-01-2009 @ 12:50PM
mike 80 said...
im a fan of the punisher warzone (ray stevenson+ frank castle=punisher) but i wish that the second sequel will be more interesting storyline and deserving villains to punish like bushwacker, rhino, stiltman, etc. and other powerful enemies from other comics. i mean com on! the punisher dosent only kills one gangster to another or a boss gangster to another. get some villains who are more evil and(maybe) got superhuman strength so to get toe-on-toe with the punisher.and i wish that in the third sequel they put punisher's sidekick to replace microchip like stuart clarke from the war journal( i know that came from WWhulk but do it as an add) that would be super cool and i know that the punisher is a chick magnet. all girls from MU like though badass. hehehe just my opinion and i wish that the punisher fans like this and i hope someday the punisher movie will be top of the superhero comic movies...........peace=)
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