Oscar Nods for 'Milk' Somehow Make It Less Popular
Filed under: Awards, Fandom, Oscar Watch
When the Oscar nominations are announced, it almost always causes an uptick in the box office for whichever titles are still in theaters. This increase in attention also leads more people to rate the films at the Internet Movie Database (whether they've actually seen them or not), and Ryan Adams at Awards Daily has noticed a strange trend: Milk's multiple Oscar nominations led to a precipitous decline in its popularity. Wait, what?Adams has a graph showing various films' positions on IMDb's Top 250, which are determined by users rating each film on a scale of 1-10. There are day-to-day fluctuations, especially when a film is still current, but Milk was holding steady at around #180. Then, as soon as the Oscar nominations were announced last Thursday, Milk took a serious nosedive. Within 24 hours, it had dropped from #182 to #211. The decline has continued, and it now sits at #223.
Why the sudden and huge backlash? Surely all those people giving it a "1" rating didn't all hurry out and see it -- and hate it -- the day the Oscar nods were announced. Either they'd already seen it and hated it and weren't motivated to express their disdain until after it got so much Oscar attention; or else they still haven't seen it and hate it anyway. When so many people cast "1" votes in such a short span of time, it's hard to believe those are the true opinions of actual viewers of the film.
Adams' theory is that these are gay-haters who can't stand the idea of a gay-themed film doing well with critics and the Academy. He notes that a similar drop-off happened with Brokeback Mountain three years ago. There's no way to know if that's really what's happening, but it's a plausible theory, especially with things like California's Proposition 8 putting gay rights in the news so much recently.
But as some of Adams' commenters have noted, it could also be a backlash from people who hate Sean Penn (quite plausible) or Gus Van Sant, or an organized campaign by a group that has some other reason for disliking the film. Then again, the most obvious answer is usually the right one, and regular IMDb movie-raters aren't exactly renowned for being mature, circumspect citizens. You need only look at the negative ratings for movies that haven't even opened yet to see that.
And even if you don't like Milk, giving it a "1"? Meaning it's one of the worst movies you've ever seen seen? Come on. If that's what you think, then you need to see more movies. I recommend you start with the Martin Lawrence shelf.










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1-27-2009 @ 11:02PM
Adam said...
Angry Dark Knight fans?
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1-27-2009 @ 11:21PM
akaison said...
Well, I agree with him. If you go look at the comments, some of them were posted before the movie came out, and are rants against how Hollywood likes to cover the "homosexual agenda." Those who like the liberal "homosexual agenda" will like this movie, and blah, blah, blah. I thought the movie was good. I don't know if it's great, but there is no denying there is an element that has a problem with any non-white, non-male or non-straight story line. They see this as an "afront" that these movies even exist. The internet allows these sorts of speakers to rant without any criticism.
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1-27-2009 @ 11:28PM
Brice_J said...
yeah i've never understood how & why so many great films on that site received a score of "1"
much of me supposes it's a secret community of imdbers who makes sure no score gets too out of hand or too high. crazy? definitely, but still plausible.
but yeah, w/ so many stupid reasons people justify for hating excellent movies, i wouldn't be surprised if the obvious reason was the case for "milk."
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1-28-2009 @ 12:57AM
Dan said...
I have a particular disdain for people who jump to conclusions about movies that they haven't seen, and I vehemently disagree with homophobia and anything to do with any type of intolerance--towards anybody, for that matter. And it's a damn shame about the movie, because it really was a terrific movie, and more people should see it, because it's got an important message for EVERYONE.
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1-28-2009 @ 3:40AM
Marty J said...
Once you've rated The Dark Knight a '10' you should automatically have all your other votes discounted. Especially after the TDK fans rated The Godfather and The Shawshank Redemption a '1' just so their great but not that great comic-book movie could be number 1 on a largely irrelevant list.
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1-28-2009 @ 7:27AM
Movie_Dearest said...
Homophobia and childishness run rampant on Imdb? What a surprise ...
The Imdb "top 250" is a joke any way.
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1-28-2009 @ 8:49AM
ML said...
One of the reasons I pay no attention to imdb ratings.
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1-28-2009 @ 8:54AM
Hallsey4224 said...
It's probably a combination of gay bashers, Sean Penn haters (count me in that group) and people that are tired of boring, predictable nominations (also in that group). While I would not vote on a movie I haven't seen, I might be inclined to give a much lower score to a mediocre movie that gets nominated for a bunch of Oscars owing more to its subject matter than its actual entertainment value.
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1-28-2009 @ 8:08PM
Hughman Bein said...
The real travesty is that Crash ever beat Brokeback Mountain. A sure sign that Oscars follows the Hollywood agenda more than any other possible posturing. A gay-themed movie win the Oscar? Now that's dangerous! Milk becomes more relevant the more it is trashed.
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1-28-2009 @ 2:28PM
Polowy said...
I bet it was Mickey Rourke!
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1-28-2009 @ 4:27PM
EatingPie said...
"Adams' theory is that these are gay-haters who can't stand the idea of a gay-themed film doing well with critics and the Academy."
Wait, why would gay-haters even see this movie in the first place? And why would they suddenly *not* see the movie because it's getting accolades? That's absolute silliness!
Sheesh, does everything *have to* come down to homophobia and hatred when something dealing with homosexuality isn't popular? Or loses its popularity, as in this case?
Could it possibly be that Milk is on the tail-end of its box-office run, and attendance is winding down normally?
-Pie
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1-28-2009 @ 5:26PM
miang said...
Are you an idiot? The article is talking about IMDB rating not ticket sales.
1-28-2009 @ 10:21PM
EatingPie said...
Indeed, I made a mistake and jumped on Adam's comment out of context.
While I won't resort to name calling, I do prefer to say that this mistake made it clear that I am decidedly *human*.
-Pie
1-28-2009 @ 10:27PM
EatingPie said...
I don't know where you're coming from Hughman. Hollywood is totally pro-gay in their thinking. Tons of movie stars came out against Prop 8.
Hollywood is also anti-racism, so it was a case of one "message" trumping the other. But there's no denying it was a major upset, as Brokeback was the expected winner.
I personally believe Milk will win this year to make up for (as it were) Brokeback losing, and as a statement about Proposition 8.
-Pie
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2-01-2009 @ 6:29AM
John Gallaher said...
The film biography (along with action movies, historical dramas and courtroom dramas) is far from my favorite genre. However, I think "Milk" is quite good. In large part this is due to Van Sant's use of a semi-documentary approach to the filming. The movie flows very well. It's not just a compilation of awkward, traditional scenes clipped together to explain a character, such as "Walk the Line" (Johnny Cash's father is mean, Johnny's brother is killed in an accident, Johnny enlists in the army, Johnny meets Elvis, Johnny gets hooked on drugs, and so on). "Milk" doesn't feel episodic, even though it takes place over a number of years. This is the director's skill. Also, I don't think Harvey Milk has been that well known outside of 1970's San Francisco. People of my generation might remember his name and his tragic death, but not much else. Just knowing the bare bones of his story, I was very intrigued by Milk's persona and his drive. Who else was addressing homophobia and gay civil rights at the time? Sadly, this proved to have been extremely risky. The fact that the setting is San Francisco (especially, as we know the city today) only adds to the movie's amazement and admiration. The film initially presents Harvey Milk as a person of seemingly small consequence. But, we see his transformation into a political activist as believable, with thanks, again, to Van Sant and the film's screenplay and fine cast Sean Penn's performance as Milk is a wonder. We all know that he is a great actor. Not only is he funny and heartbreaking, but we feel his joy of acting, This is not common, I think, for film actors. And, of course, Penn is the least hammy of actors. People don't seem to like Sean Penn as a person. I admit that my impression of him is that he is irritable, unconventional and narcissistic. But aren't these the building blocks of an acting talent? Anyway, why should we care? He's not our college roommate. "Milk" is eliciting homophobic venom in the country and this is only a testament to the film's artistry and power. Unlike decades ago when homosexuals were widely viewed as sick, deviant people whose motivation was to undermine the country's social fabric, today the general fear is that gays, lesbians, bisexuals and transgender people are gaining economic, political and social power. And why shouldn't they? But, this scares the hell out of some folks (Fox News, anyone?). Gay people are feeling less shamed by society and coming out more readily in large numbers. This was Milk's message for equality; identify yourself as a person as worthy for regard as anybody else. Today, gay teenagers are coming out to their family and friends. I don't think this happened much in previous generations. Who doesn't now know a friend, family member or co-worker who is homosexual? (If you don't know, why don't you?) Movies that address an important social issue (especially if they are perceived as politically correct by those darn liberals) rarely make for good film art. Believe me, "Milk" is no "Guess Who's Coming to Dinner?". "Milk" is an important movie and an excellent one. A friend recently asked me if I thought she would like "Milk". I said no, but go see it anyway. I rarely give this advice for what are deemed to be "message" movies. Hopefully, "Milk" will inspire Harvey's inclusion in high school history books and classes We all should be so brave.
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