How George Lucas Almost Made Indiana Jones a Sex Offender
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Finding out how your favorite movies came to be is generally very rewarding and educational. You seek out The Seven Samurai, and thank the film gods that a robotic shark failed to work. At the very least, you can win trivia contests by knowing what Rosebud was, and impress your friends by telling them who was originally cast as Aragorn.
And then there's the stuff you wish you had never known. This week, you may have been one of the Indy fans who eagerly downloaded the Raiders of the Lost Ark transcript, where George Lucas, Steven Spielberg and Lawrence Kasdan hashed out ideas for one of the greatest film characters of all time. Cool stuff. Useful if you aim to write books or movies someday. Then I read this bit about Marion and Indy, and their ideas for their early love affair gone wrong:
GL: I was thinking that this old guy could have been his mentor. He could have known this little girl when she was just a kid. Had an affair with her when she was eleven.
LK: And he was forty-two.
GL: He hasn't seen her in twelve years. Now she's twenty-two. It's a real strange relationship.
SS: She had better be older than twenty-two.
GL: He's thirty-five, and he knew her ten years ago when he was twenty-five and she was only twelve. It would be amusing to make her slightly young at the time.
SS: And promiscuous. She came onto him.
GL: Fifteen is right on the edge. I know it's an outrageous idea, but it is interesting. Once she's sixteen or seventeen it's not interesting anymore. But if she was fifteen and he was twenty-five and they actually had an affair the last time they met. And she was madly in love with him and he ...
I know Lucas and Spielberg were pretty young when they filmed Raiders, and probably clueless about women and love affairs ... but I'm not sure that can excuse thinking that an off screen love story between a 12-year-old and a 25- year-old was a really good idea. Even better is the notion that their Indiana Smith would be rather innocent of it since the girl would just be "promiscuous." Puts a whole new spin on Marion's "I was a child!" line, doesn't it? It also puts the age gap between Anakin and Padme in the Star Wars prequels into a new perspective -- Lucas clearly digs age gaps, though at least he grew up to write one that was legal and somewhat more palatable. Becoming a parent probably helped.
But still ... I could have gone my entire life without ever hearing this bit of movie making magic. My love for Indy will never be dimmed (if Indiana Jones and the Kingdom of the Crystal Skull couldn't kill it, nothing will), but I'm never going to hear "You knew what you were doing" without feeling a little awkward.
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3-13-2009 @ 12:40PM
Nick said...
Funny - I always thought that was the obvious implication behind the dialogue in Indy and Marion's first scene together. Not that I assumed she was twelve, of course, but it was a distinct possibility she could have been quite a ways underage.
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3-13-2009 @ 12:50PM
Katie said...
Kingdom of the Crystal Skull made it pretty clear that Marion was 15-16 when she and Indy hooked up the first time (Karen Allen now looks far younger next to Harrison Ford than they looked together in Raiders) but Nick's right, it was always implied that Marion had been significantly younger than Indy. But when your 18, six or seven years is a huge age difference. The idea that Indy was fooling around with a barely pubescent girl is one I could have lived without forever.
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3-13-2009 @ 12:59PM
Paul Arnette said...
I have to agree that the implication has been there all along...
MARION: I was a child!
MARION: It was wrong and you knew it.
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3-13-2009 @ 3:15PM
Jim said...
Eww, that is just gross and this just reinforces my belief that Lucas has some jacked up wiring. Now it makes sense why he made Anakin so young in the TPM (even though it killed the story) because he's got some need to see children in romantic situations.
"GL: Fifteen is right on the edge. I know it's an outrageous idea, but it is interesting. Once she's sixteen or seventeen it's not interesting anymore."
If fifteen is on the edge of it being "interesting" than you George Lucas, you are a pedophile. Congrats on finally finding that last straw. Sick bastard, no wonder your wife left you. No wonder Leia was 18 to Solo's 32.
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3-13-2009 @ 1:28PM
King Zilch said...
Of all the fascinating bits of information in the transcripts, this is what we choose to focus on? I know we're all supposed to be out to demonize Lucas in any way we can, but this is just cheap.
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3-13-2009 @ 2:22PM
Roamer said...
Ha, I think this comic can sum up everyone's feelings on Mr. Lucas.
http://imnotbob.com/2009/03/13/crunch/
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3-13-2009 @ 2:46PM
Bill said...
The dialogue only implies that she was much younger than him. I have to think they came to their senses or at least knew they were potentially going too far. It's a transcript of a conversation about the movie. Filmmakers kick around a lot of concepts and they were just thinking out loud (about things they really shouldn't have been) but if they censored every thought they came up with they might not have gotten to the cool stuff like the rolling boulder or the truck chase and all the stuff that made it a good film. Still.....Ewwwww.
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3-13-2009 @ 3:30PM
Batzarro said...
The age gap between Padme and Anakin was ridiculous: It's like she was the only one in Star Wars land that didn's Friggin age!
But yeah, this is preety freaky!
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3-13-2009 @ 4:09PM
Kevin said...
yeah, that always seemed really weird to me. Not the relationship itself (although yeah, that was friggin' messed up), but why the hell does he go from like 6 to 18 and she goes from 16 to 18? I mean, does Anakin age super quickly, or does she just age super slowly? Weird. Lucas seems to have lost his mind about 25 years ago.
3-13-2009 @ 4:30PM
SunKing said...
Jesus Christ, were they high or something? Totally insane; who in their right mind would consider that a sensible thing to put in? And how could you possibly empathise with the character after knowing this? Just totally bizarre.
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3-13-2009 @ 6:50PM
glyn said...
if you read the whole thing, it reflects really well on lucas, or at least the lucas of the 70's/80's. He really knows what he's doing, what will work and won't work story wise and how to create character. This transcript is pure gold and it's as close as we'll ever come to being in the room when they were writing raiders...
3-13-2009 @ 7:29PM
SunKing said...
I'll give it a read.
3-13-2009 @ 10:46PM
Tony GM said...
You know the age gap between padme and anakin is only five years she was fourteen and he was nine when they met in the first movie
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3-18-2009 @ 2:27PM
mainer said...
I saw my Raiders paperback just this morning, when moving some old books, and so I dug it back out. When Indy first sees her, he thinks that her body is “a little fuller,” and then the bit about “I didn’t mean to hurt you,” “I was a child!”, and then Indy leaves the bar, and Marion’s thinking:
That damn Jones, she thought. Ten years down the road he comes dancing back into my life with more of his promises. And she was remembering how it had been back then – fifteen years old and fancying herself in love with the handsome young archeologist, the young man her father had warned her about. She remembered him saying, “You’ll only get hurt, even if you’ll get over it in time.”
The book doesn’t say how old Indiana is, but it does say it’s 1936, and wiki says he was born in 1899, so that makes him 37, or 27 when he was with young Marion. Actually there’s a wiki on Marion, too, that says this:
Marion was about 16 or 17 years old when the relationship finished, and Jones was 27, ten years her senior. Later in her life, Marion chastised Jones, stating, "I was a child! I was in love! It was wrong and you knew it!"
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3-25-2009 @ 5:10PM
Dave said...
Also, don't forget about American Graffiti, where George paired 13 year old Mackenzie Phillips up with 20 year old Paul Le Mat.
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