Discuss: Does Screen Gems Care Too Much About Black People?
Filed under: Drama, Thrillers, Casting, Sony
Yesterday's New York Times featured a rather flattering profile on Screen Gems president Clinton Culpepper and how his Sony studio arm reliably turns a profit on its comedy and thriller titles. Despite Culpepper declining to be interviewed for the piece, it goes noted amidst "past and present associates" that the man has a preference for "the white comedy, done black," a supposed genre brought up with regards to Chris Rock's forthcoming remake of Death at a Funeral with an all African-American cast.The minority-cast likes of You Got Served, Stomp the Yard and This Christmas have certainly proven profitable for Screen Gems, but do any of you out there refuse to see Funeral or The Big Chill, and yet may fork money over if those films were done with a more superficially familiar ensemble? Or do you personally wish for more out of niche filmmaking meant to appeal to the African-American audience than the wacky antics of Martin Lawrence and Madea?
And with regards to this Friday's Obsessed, is there a double standard with regards to a white woman (Ali Larter) interfering with the happiness of a black couple (Idris Elba and Beyonce Knowles)? If the roles were reversed (and if the alleged working title of Oh No She Didn't were kept instead), would everyone be up in arms about stereotyping and such? On the flip side, would anyone argue that having a white villainess is maybe being too politically correct? Let us know.










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4-22-2009 @ 5:27PM
Kate said...
"Or do you personally wish for more out of niche filmmaking meant to appeal to the African-American audience than the wacky antics of Martin Lawrence and Madea?"
Yes. Why wouldn't I? Most of the movies made for a black audience are Martin Lawrence/Tyler Perry pieces of crap. It'd be great if more movies were made for POC without a huge emphasis on race in the movie or out of it. Just make a movie about people. Personally, I'm excited for 'Iron Man 2' and War Machine and I hope Don Cheadle kicks ass, but I hope it doesn't stop there. I'm dying to see Static get his own movie.
As far as 'Obsessed' goes, it hardly looks like the next 'All About Eve', so I don't really care, but I think the working title is very stereotypical and encourages people to think that anyone still talks like that. Much like "talk to the hand". It's hard to say if there's a double standard because we've still got a ways to go for equality, but what about 'Lakeview Terrace'? Now if we could get more quality films, that'd be great. I love Spike Lee, John Singleton, and Kasi Lemmons, but let's get some exposure to more great filmmakers!
I'm just speaking as a white girl who's still ignorant on a lot of things, but I'm not going to get a sore ass about how white people are portrayed in black movies since I don't have to fight for people to see me as a human being first. Now as a woman, that's an entirely different mini-spiel. :)
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4-22-2009 @ 8:01PM
MCW said...
What I don't like is movies that so obviously have a racial preference when it comes to casting.
I don't care if that means "this movie has an all-white cast", or this Tyler Perry movie has "an all-black cast"... either way, you're intentionally being an a-hole with your casting.
I was thinking about it the other day (And kicking myself now, for not remembering what movie I was watching - it may have been Dark Reel - but I was thinking possibly there are black actors who tried out for roles in the movie, but just weren't up to snuff. Of course this theory doesn't really fly, because think of how many movies could easily have a diverse cast, and just don't, for reasons unknown to the audience.
Look at Cadillac Records. Great film, mixed cast (But mostly black). In most cases, the casting director (Or Tyler Perry, that R-tard) would immediately say, "Oh, this one's set in Motown... all black cast then". At least they didn't with that film (It's not like historical accuracy of color matters with a movie based on a cast of dead people).
As far as Screen Gems specifically goes - that's a generalization. Just look at their list of films on Wikipedia. There is a myriad of movies with diverse casts from all countries, races and sexes. Just because they've done some black-cast films recently does not mean they've abandoned everything else. I guess I don't really understand your point William.
4-22-2009 @ 8:29PM
William Goss said...
MCW: I did not say that Screen Gems has abandoned everything else, but films with a predominantly black cast have proven successful for them in the past:
Stomp the Yard - $61 million
This Christmas - $49 million
You Got Served - $40 million
First Sunday - $37 million
The Brothers - $27.5 million
Two Can Play That Game - $22 million
Most studios would kill to have such a reliable track record with urban titles. In a strictly financial sense, it's no surprise that Screen Gems supports them, but for them to support swapped-cast remakes strikes me as a way in which original African-American entertainment is being hampered.
And for what it's worth, here's the final domestic gross on ALL of their films that made over $20 million (assuming they cost roughly that much and would've therefore broke even):
The Exorcism of Emily Rose - $75 million
Underworld 1 - $51 million
Resident Evil 2 - $50 million
Resident Evil 3 - $49 million
When A Stranger Calls - $47 million
Boogeyman - $46 million
Underworld 3 - $45 million
Prom Night - $43 million
Resident Evil 1 - $40 million
Lakeview Terrace - $39 million
The Mothman Prophecies - $35 million
The Messengers - $35 million
Quarantine - $31 million
Anacondas 2 - $31 million
Snatch - $30 million
Untraceable - $28 million
Arlington Road - $24 million
The Medallion - $22 million
4-22-2009 @ 8:01PM
kris said...
How would having a white villain be "too politically correct?"
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4-22-2009 @ 8:01PM
Shedric said...
"Does Screen Gems Care too much about Black People"
Come on man really can't find nothing else to talk about. You must just got though watching Birth of a Nation or something.
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4-22-2009 @ 8:05PM
William Goss said...
Haven't yet caught up with Birth, and seriously doubt that I or anyone else would become a racist for having watched it.
4-22-2009 @ 11:36PM
Elliot said...
Why do people refer to these films as "African-American" films when they really mean "black"? I know dozens of people who are African-American, and most of them are white. I don't understand why people insist on using the term "African-American" for describing black americans, even though it is incorrect.
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4-23-2009 @ 7:56AM
Nino Brown said...
WaKe Up Spike Lee!!!!!
Wake up John Singleton!!!!!
Get y'all shit together and stop pussy footing around. Go back to the old days Do the Right Thing, Boyz n Da Hood. Get away from the studios projects 2Fast 2 Furious, Inside Man, and go Independent again..
4-23-2009 @ 3:07AM
Riley Freeman said...
anything with omarion in it will never get a penny of my money.
dancing movies will never get a penny of my money.
martin, eddie murphy, and all the other washed up black comedians that used to be funny but lost it when they went "commercial" will never get a penny of my money. although roscoe jenkins was a funny movie. stupid story but the cast was funny.
the list was posted so lets run through them
Stomp the Yard - $61 million
This Christmas - $49 million
You Got Served - $40 million
First Sunday - $37 million
The Brothers - $27.5 million
Two Can Play That Game - $22 million
stomp the yard was entertaining and a decent movie.
i dont even know what this christmas was. is that the one with queen latifah? if so id never watch it.
you got served see omarion comment. first sunday - i watched it pretty stupid ice cube should stick to teaming with mike epps.
the brothers is so old i dont remember it. but i think thats the one where d.l. hughley couldnt get oral sex from his wife. that was an entertaining movie from what i recall. but nothing more than average.
2 can play that game. - id say very slightly above average in the entertaining category.
this new movie is just a black version of a very commonly done storyline. i dont have much interest in seeing it. i dont think its going to bring anything new to the table
and yes im a black male
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4-23-2009 @ 3:16AM
danterandal19 said...
I've seen two of the films that you are discussing:
This Christmas does not have Queen Latifah in it (you're confusing it with "The Perfect Holiday"- another holiday movie with a predominately African American cast), but I found it funnier and warmer than many films of its ilk.
"First Sunday" was dumb and cheap but surprisingly funny and even heartfelt at times- ironically it worked better than most of Tyler Perry's films, even though the screenplay writer was obviously apeing Perry's style.
And on "Obsessed"...it just look horrible, frankly. Unintentionally funny in a way, I hope (the next "Showgirls"?). But...answering the original question, I feel that films should cast who they think is best for the role, not just so that a cast can be "politically correct". Whoevers the best actor for the role should be cast, plain and simple. If Beyonce was the best possible wife for this film (hint: she's not), then so be it. If Ali Larter was the best possible femme fatale (hint: she's not), then so be it as well.
On a side note, Tyler Perry's films are pretty politically incorrect if you think about it. Have you noticed that the villains (or those who are made fun of or looked down upon in the films) are often either white or light-skinned black people? Interesting to think about, I feel...
4-23-2009 @ 3:22AM
Riley Freeman said...
i havent watched a tyler perry movie since umm the one where they are at some bbq. i saw that one and umm the first big one he did. cant remember the names.
ur probably right though. but its probably no different than the reverse situation. personally i dont get into all the racism crap. my number 1 annoyance with race in movies is the way they cast black actors that represent a smalll minority of black people.
i.e. i hate to use this but they always usually cast black actors that act nothing like the larger population of black culture. its clear that its just to put a black guy in the film.
nevertheless i cant be bothered to care so much to start arguments or what not on these things. cast whoever is best for the role.
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4-23-2009 @ 3:24AM
William Goss said...
Well said, Riley.
4-23-2009 @ 7:55AM
DC said...
The problem with this article is that it asks an intriguing question, and even uses a provocative title to bring about discussion, but I don't think that the author realizes that his asking the questions is the real problem. See, the writers, reporters, and critics tend to be white. So, it goes mostly unnoticed that the vast majority of films being made in the US are "white films". That is to say that they have all white casts, or all white except for that token black friend. In comedies the filmmakers often play on the token friend by having him/her make a remark about the "crazy white people" surrounding them.
Even with these Screen Gem offerings, "black films" are very underrepresented compared to the population. If you go behind the scenes and see who is really controlling the "voice" of the film (writer, director, producer) the representation isn't even close. Yet, when a mainstream company does make a fair representation, or .... ... an overrepresentation of black films, it is sure to be pointed out. Where's the article about how every other major studio/production company is making almost exclusively white films? I have a title for that one. "Does Every Other Hollywood Production Company Care Too Little About Black/Brown/Asian people?"
I'm a writer. I have a good friend who is a screenwriter. He's very talented. I'd love to see any one of his scripts that I've read made into a film. His first film is going to be produced this year ... finally. The main characters are white. He's written a dozen great scripts with black characters. The quality of his work got his foot in the door, but until this script, he had never actually sold a script. He was told, privately, by a fairly successfully producer, that he doesn't write what black people want to see. (It seems that his characters are too complex.) When he told me I had the same response that he had when he heard it. "How do they know?" It's never been tried. Not with any serious attempt. Instead, some newcomer hits the scene with something like "Boyz N The Hood" or Madea, and it has some success, so it's decided that this is what black people must like. So, every black film that follows must be of the same ilk. Meanwhile white films of all types come out in droves, and they are allowed to succeed or fail based on the merits of the individual film. No film having the power to indefinitely dictate every white film.
But, I guess as long as a white writer can see a few "black films" from a company and ask if that company "cares too much about black people", a white executive can sit in his office and decide what black people want to see. The shame of it all is that this industry, and it's audience is being deprived of some great talent. And, until they are really ready to tap into these unused resources, Madea will be the black film offering, and mainstream films will be comprised in large part of sequels and comic books stories. We would all benefit from a little more COMMON sense.
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4-23-2009 @ 7:55AM
Shedric said...
IMO There hasn't been any decent "Black Film" since Hotel Rwanda, and Hustle & Flow. I'm jsaying that and I'm Black. There were some that could've but great, but didn't work for some reason Dreamgirls, Pursuit of Happiness, and American Gangster.
Hotel Rwanda, Hustle & Flow, Dreamgirls, Pursuit of Happiness, American Gangster all hade 80% Black cast but neither of them where directed by a Black director. Except for Hutsle and Flow they were all studio films.
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4-23-2009 @ 10:48AM
Astin said...
I won't be seeing "Death at a Funeral" because the original wasn't very good to begin with. Oh, it's British, and has Alan Tudyk! It was painfully unfunny for the most part.
Obsessed looks absolutely terrible. Having a white villainess or black leads has nothing to do with my decision to skip it. Even the commercials scream "cheap."
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4-28-2009 @ 10:58AM
PIxelwhore said...
What I would like to see is more African Americans directors and writers produce films which doesn't involve sex,drugs and violence. Something out of the usually stereotypical nonsense they produce on a day to day basis. I would be overjoyed if one day Spike Lee made a fantasy or horror film. However I'm glad to seeing He is one of many African Americans that is leaning towards a progressive tone in cinema.
I tip my hat to Steve McQueen
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4-29-2009 @ 6:20PM
Pearl Jr said...
When Black people seem to be getting two crumbs instead of a crumb to share with the Latinos, it seems somebody non-Black gets all offended as if it's another sign that Blacks are taking over.
This is a racist question at its core because there are way too little Black films by Black writers and directors to even have this notion unless one is bean counting; with Whites having over 90 percent of something because once something hits below 90, here comes the insecure White yelling foul.
Don't White Americans realize that Blacks are American citizens and are a consumer group of 40 million, who have paid a tremendous price?
Everybody White seems to hate the movie Obsessed. But Black women went out in droves to finally see a movie that the Black wife and the Black family wins in the end.
With the massive number of resourceful Black men marrying and/or leaving their Black wives for non-Black women, Obsessed is a movie that gives Black women and the Black family a victory.
Reading the comments and other reviews lets me know that White people have zero idea of the Black perspective.
Racism has a long way to go before White can understand unselfishly that Blacks have rights, beliefs, goals, aspirations, feelings and have a Black's Best Interest mentality that White folks seem to just not understand, don't want to understand, or want to keep oppressed.
I run the website www.BlackMediaReview.com and I've been reviewing Black movies from a Black perspective for over 2 years and hell yes, there is racist propaganda in the majority of films to which Whites always win, but in Obsessed and in the movie Pride, there were lessons in social science that promotes a Black's Best Interest mentality that will lead to a world rid of colorlines.
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