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The Geek Beat: The Great Blue Hype

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Days out from the debut of the Avatar trailer, and the buzz of Avatar Day, we're still talking about James Cameron's technological opus. I wanted to write something that was a little critical of the hype, but I feel as though anything I say will immediately be perceived as a result of my bad experience. So, I recruited William Goss to be the other, more positive half of an Avatar debate. As Goss wisely points out, it's far too early to judge what this film is going to do in December, and I know that the full marketing onslaught awaits. The moviegoing public still has no idea what's in store. Is that a good thing? A bad thing? Read on as we try to play soothsayer, and then join in with some predictions of your own.

Elisabeth: So, let's kick the tires and light the fires. You actually made it into Avatar Day footage, right?

Will: Twice.

Elisabeth: Wow! How full was it?

Will: First time, maybe half full. Second time, a little more than. Neither, though, was packed. A few more kids at the later one, to boot, who came with their parents.

Elisabeth: I know people will probably think that I'm just bitter because of my experience, but I honestly thought it was handled all wrong. When the first announced it at ComicCon, I really thought it would be an all day event at theaters, and it would literally draw in the curious. The way it was handled, it only catered to the same handful that already knew about it.

Will: Well, it was made available online. The geeks that knew wrote about it. How many people already planning to go into a movie would rather see something twenty minutes long and then have to wait for the next showing? All they could've done more to make it public would be, well, TV spots maybe.



Elisabeth: No, but a lot of people do go to theaters super early, or might have stuck around after just to see what the fuss was about. I think keeping it so exclusive might have been a mistake.

Will: Perhaps, but then your die-hard fans would be miffed if they didn't get in. Though they would still pay to see it eventually.

Elisabeth: But are die-hard fans going to make a film's budget back? What I'm really worried about in terms of this film is that Joe Moviegoer is just not going to be interested based on that "common" trailer -- the one Cameron keeps saying isn't indicative of the film. That's the one everyone is seeing. I don't think it can draw in the crowds.

Will: Nothing's going to make the film's budget back at this point. Whatever the actual number is. But, if over the holiday season, people do start to tell one another "You have to see it, and you have to pay extra in 3-D," it could have the legs it needs.

Elisabeth: Out of curiosity, what has been the response you've seen to the trailers and Avatar Day?

Will: People were snarky about the trailer, impressed by the footage. I myself was considerably more impressed by the footage.

Elisabeth: I keep hearing that -- I've missed it twice now, ComicCon and Avatar Day, and everyone around me keeps describing it as so awesome ... and I watch that trailer and go "REALLY?"

Will: Our lot has been stuck on someone else's label of "game-changer," which the movie does not quite seem to be. The effects are outstanding, to be sure, but the story does come across like a convoluted take on a familiar stranger-on-a-strange-land-comes-around-amid-threat-of-war plot.

Elisabeth: I was surprised, but my sister, who is very movie savvy, actually goes "Avatar, that's the one based on that anime series." "No, it's the OTHER one, the one by James Cameron." We saw the trailer before Inglourious Basterds and she actually said "What the f***?" out loud in the theater, before leaning over and whispering that a World of Warcraft trailer would have been more badass and interesting.

Will: The biggest problem with the trailer that everyone is being shown is that it doesn't give a hook to the masses. Watchmen's teaser was one thing. There was a legacy and translation to speak for. And even the layman could figure out "It's a superhero movie."

Elisabeth: And the effects look terrible. It isn't like seeing the trailer for the similarly maligned Titanic where you went "Wow, Cameron has done something with this." It looks like standard CG to anyone. I know the hype, and I'm going "Really? Well, that doesn't look as good as Gollum or Dr. Manhattan."

Will: Right.

Elisabeth: I'm actually giving the standard argument to myself. "Well, it's probably going to be polished before the release date, that's just in progress CGI" before reminding myself that this is the movie Cameron reinvented the wheel on. :P

Will: Well, that's why they had the showings last week, to show this work as it should be seen.

Elisabeth: But again, they were so limited ...

Will: Well, do you want to buy out a day's worth of Harry Potter showings?

Elisabeth: No, but it's like if you're gonna do Avatar Day, go all the way -- or find a way to make it more accessible, like this new "Avatar on Wheels" thing they've got going.

Will: ?

Elisabeth: Now they're going to be taking giant television screens to malls and things to show the footage.

Will: Ah. They have four months to build awareness. I didn't think Avatar Day was the be-all end-all. Plus, you put a pretty enough 3-D trailer before something big like Christmas Carol this holiday season, and the public profile's gonna build without a doubt. I just hope they craft a more explanatory trailer by then.

Elisabeth: But on the other hand, what does it say to the public when they're being sold something so heavily? Are they going to be even more skeptical, or is Joe Moviegoer going to be super happy he's being catered to? Already, I'm seeing a bit of a backlash online -- this idea that it's just pure hype, and almost arrogant hype at that.

Will: It says, "you need to see this for yourself," which is what they want Joe Moviegoer to tell his friends and family. There was some pretty high-end hyperbole being thrown around. I'll stand by Devin Faraci's reaction at Comic-Con: "It's evolutionary, not revolutionary."

Elisabeth: Which, to Cameron's advantage, a lot of regular moviegoers have no inkling of. I envy the public that (if this is all it's said to be) just gets to have some immersive experience hit them like a wave.

Will: Yeah, so people should be more impressed, having less expectations, if only the experience is made available. Which Fox is clearly trying to do.

Elisabeth: Which I guess renders the argument I was going to present to you moot -- something like District 9 does incredibly well, and came out of nowhere for most people, even those of us in the know.

Will: District 9, though, had a lot less at stake. Numbers-wise, it was a less costly gamble. Avatar's saturation is all about making it as close to a sure thing when it opens as possible. District 9 just had to intrigue, entice, entertain. Avatar has to make people sit up, go out, tune in. So maybe the 3-D's a gimmick. But it does work. I can't imagine Avatar playing the same on DVD. District 9, sure.

Elisabeth: Yeah -- but there's a lot to be said for that, and people are sometimes more intrigued by not knowing, especially in this day and age. I wonder if a similar approach would benefit Avatar or if it can't, because it's ultimately not a very good product

Will: I think it's better to have expectations ebb and flow by now, instead of instantly pounced on in December.

Elisabeth: The cynic in me says. If it was a good movie, mind-blowing effects, 3D phenomenon, word of mouth would carry it in December. Fox wouldn't need Avatar on Wheels or Avatar Day.

Will: Someone argued for the Jurassic Park approach, with no dinosaurs or aliens, but if that were the case, you'd have today's backlash on opening weekend, and it would hurt the film. But the public doesn't know about it yet. You look at that poster, or that trailer, and what does the public take away? "It's got aliens."

Elisabeth: "That's the anime movie by M. Night Shyamalan right?"

Will: I don't see that mix-up being as common.

Elisabeth: I don't know, I've still been hearing it a lot. I was surprised my sister made that mistake given the newsfeed she's related to.

Will: From the sound of things, Liz -- it sounds like you want Avatar to fail. Every question has been "Why push it so hard?" and "Why make it so exclusive?"

Elisabeth: No. I'm just trying to play the cynic. I'm trying to play Devil's Advocate and failing, it would seem. I want you to provide the counterpoint. I didn't want this to be a mutual gush fest -- and I'm someone who has seen nothing but the crappy trailer, so I'm full of doubt.

Will: Not failing, but it seems like every answer I give is greeted with a "But..." Is there no upside to having an event movie in the works that might work?

Elisabeth: Oh, I think there's a huge upside. Given that it's been a great year for sci-fi, a good sci fi movie from James Cameron would be like icing on a genre cupcake.

Will: I feel like, if Fox were hiding it right now, or only had Comic-Con and nothing else to show for it, no trailer, no Avatar Day, you'd wonder what they were hiding. Maybe less cynically, but you'd doubt. We'd all doubt.

Elisabeth: As it stands now, based purely on that trailer, I have no interest in seeing the film. And I'm someone who knows more about the project than the average person who experienced it for the first time prior to Inglourious Basterds. I know the hype, and I see the trailer and go "I really have no interest in that. It looks so silly."

Will: Maybe that's a flaw inherent to telling a story like this.

Elisabeth: I have to remind myself that it's going to be this immersive experience, and think back to Comic-Con and what everyone was saying to get myself motivated. Will that change? I hope so. I want to be really excited for this movie. I envy those who are.

Will: I think it'll be fun. But I don't think we're looking at the Second Coming, no. We're looking at something very, very nifty at the end of the day.

Elisabeth: Will nifty be enough though?

Will: We'll see.

Elisabeth: All hype aside, do you think Avatar will be helped or hurt by the sci-fi year we've had?

Will: How do you mean? Constant comparisons to Star Trek or D-9?

Elisabeth: Yeah, do you think people are going to be more open to it, or will a lot of people go "Oh, ANOTHER space movie." Kind of like the comic book fatigue that was starting to hit by last year. To a lot of moviegoers, this isn't a Cameron movie that's been in progress for a decade, it's going to seem like something ripping off Star Trek or District 9. Maybe.

Will: After (and this is a stretch) 2012, Avatar is the last big sci-fi event of the year. We won't be comparing it to a summer that was months ago, save for maybe year-end lists saying how one worked better than the other. I don't think the general public will be misled by the mystique of this planet and its species. I'm in the same boat you are. I can't speak to the public's ignorance, and I don't mean that in a condescending way. The difference between you and me? I've seen the footage, would see that movie. You've seen the trailer, wouldn't.

Elisabeth: Like I said, I want to have my mind blown. This is one of the rare occasions that I actually find myself seeing a product from the perspective of the average, news-feed-less moviegoer and going "I don't like the look of that." It's a unique position to be in -- whereas you've seen more than me.

Will: In a way, it's Fox counter-acting their own buzz created by the trailer, whether they meant to or not. So better that than nothing at all.

Elisabeth: What do you think of Sam Worthington claiming that Cameron did that on purpose? That he wants the negative buzz with the good, minority buzz? They say that all publicity is good publicity, after all. But I'm concerned when the bad publicity will, ultimately, be the majority -- people who saw a trailer and are like "Yeah, don't know what that is, don't care."

Will: If you told me that Fox insisted on a regular trailer and Cameron pushed to have it shown as he wants it seen, I'd believe it. If it was much more strategic than that on Cameron's part, who knows. More people are going to see trailers and TV spots in non-IMAX 2-D inevitably. They can't change the look now. People don't like it, so be it. Some will be swayed to see it, and in 3-D anyway. Some will be swayed then to liking it, and others still won't. I think the marketing machine did the best it could to present the film, and I don't see Avatar Day as an event backfiring any more than the trailer alone would.

Elisabeth: What do you think it'll mean for 3D and technology if it does fail?

Will: I think they'll keep the overheads low, although they'd do that without anyone not named James Cameron anyway. I think 3-D fare is proving popular, but the horror and animated stuff isn't as costly as this hybrid of live-action and top-notch action.

Elisabeth: That's what I was wondering -- if you'd see a general backlash against greenlighting effects-driven properties

Will: No. But none of them will be this big again.

Elisabeth: That's what I mean -- not so much a general "Nothing with effects!" but a "You know, if a District 9 makes more money, then we only have to spend $30 million. That's something that needs to happen anyway.

Will: D-9 proved profitable on its own, and that may have its own fall-out. Studios more willing to crank out cheaper spectacle pieces with lesser-known or no stars.

Elisabeth: So, the 1970s. I could get behind that.

Will: We're not going to see Moon 2 any time soon. But stuff like D-9 and Wall-E is making a good case for sci-fi that doesn't have giant robots to sell.

Elisabeth: And I couldn't be happier.

Will: I doubt Avatar'll be a similar trend-setter, but whatever it does do, it'll do it big inevitably. We can only be happy with the elevation of the middle ground and low-budget stuff.

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