Discuss: What Will Everyone Else Think About 'Precious'?
Filed under: Drama, Independent, New Releases, Lionsgate Films, Box Office, Distribution, Movie Marketing
Oprah is pushing both Precious and the book it's based on, Push by Sapphire, on her show, and I'm seriously curious to know what her audience will think about it. How many people will be able to watch a film told from the point of view of an illiterate high schooler who is raped by her father, physically (and, in the book, sexually) abused by her mother, hates herself for not being white, has given birth to one child with Down's Syndrome who's nicknamed Mongo (short for Mongoloid), and is pregnant for a second time with her father's child? Let's assume that Oprah's reach is strong enough and far enough to get her demographic to plunk down their eight to 12 dollars to see Precious – the Oprah Effect in full effect. (You can find out where and when Precious is playing near you on the official movie website.)
I'm not talking about critics and journalists or the people in big cities who like to participate in a friendly Oscar pool or want to be up on what was in the New York Times. They're already seeing the movie in droves; it made $1.8M in limited release its opening weekend. The latest numbers I could find on her demographic are from 2007, back when people were wondering if Oprah could help get a president elected. (Answer: Yes, she can.)
According to Nielsen via MSNBC, "Oprah's audience is predominantly female, white, and over the age of 55. Nationally 7.4 million people watch Oprah daily -- about 2.6% of American households. Four percent of American women (about 5.7 million) watch her daily, compared with 1.2% of men (1.7 million people). Overall, 2% of all 18- to 49-year-olds watch Oprah."
Who among them will see Precious? And more importantly, what will they think? Will it reinforce the stereotypes of welfare mothers and fried-chicken-stealing teens in Harlem without the benefit of reading the book beforehand or being steeped in the hallowed halls of academia?Push's author Sapphire told NPR earlier this month, "In 2009, we have a tremendous range of black families in the media, form the Cosbys to the Obamas, so now, I think, we are safe enough and secure enough to show this diseased situation with the hope that we can see it as something that needs to be healed, as opposed to something that we need to hide from the public's view."
I respectfully disagree. If anything, President Obama has allowed us to see more clearly than ever that racism is still a huge problem in America. In fact, his presidency has brought racists out of the closet in full force, and in a manner that is unbelievably tolerated.
If you haven't read the book, you won't know what was left out or maybe not fully explained. Whether that's due to poor writing or time constraints is unclear. Light-skinned actors play all the "good" parts, but unless you've read the book, you might assume it's subtle racism in casting, rather than an aspect of Precious's own internalized self-hatred. If you don't have a certain context or lens to view Precious through, it can come across as, yes, racist.
As Latoya Peterson at Jezebel writes, "In Precious' mind, whiteness is equivalent to being loved, safe, and wanted. The movie briefly touches on this, showing Precious looking in the mirror and seeing a young white girl peering back at her, but this moment is robbed from its potency unless you are exposed to the constant self-hatred throbbing in her brain."
I also think that some viewers will not think that Precious's story is possible. In fact, some critics that I really respect also doubt that that many things can really happen to one person. But even though Sapphire says that this character is a "composite," these things can and do happen to people – sometimes all at once.
Sapphire, who taught teens in Harlem from the early '80s to the early '90s, based this book on what she saw around her. She told Mark Marvel in Interview magazine in 1996, "[Precious] was a composite. Although while I was teaching, I did meet a young woman who told me that she had a baby by her father when she was twelve. I thought, How do you get up from that? So that was something that just stayed with me. Then, later, she told me she had AIDS. I went into this whole thing of, 'Many people have HIV, and da-da-da,' and then I realized she was trying to tell me she was gonna die. She just said, 'I don't have time for this. I'm not dropping out, but I don't have time to take the G.E.D. and all that.' I asked her what she wanted to do. She was a brilliant poet and she said, 'I wanna write.' And that's when I realized she, like most of the women in that class, was never gonna be able to tell her story."
Later in the same interview, NPR related that "recently [Sapphire] was approached by a white woman in Utah who told her that after seeing the film that she would never look at an overweight black woman again with the same judgment:
'After seeing this film, she had to deal with an obese black woman as a feeling, intelligent person as a person who dreams, as a person who wants the things that she wants. So we brought up a stereotype, and we cracked it open, and a human being comes forth.'"
What do you think?










Reader Comments (Page 1 of 2)
11-12-2009 @ 12:37AM
Anonymous said...
Tyler Perry AND Oprah as producers? Smells like an incredibly pretentious movie.
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11-12-2009 @ 1:03AM
Candipearl said...
Would you call this movie....that you clearly haven't seen, pretentious if Sidney Poitier and Cicely Tyson, produced it? Is it those two particular people you have an issue with? Your comment, is just dripping with a, "if these two uppity black people produced it, must be pretentious." vibe. Lee Daniels, can be called a lot of things, but prententious, in my opinion is not one of them.
FYI....the movie was already cast, shot and in the can, before Oprah and Tyler Perry got involved, so you can take off your pre-judgement cape, go see the movie and then give your unbiased (yeah, right) opinion.
11-12-2009 @ 12:59AM
Jenni Miller said...
They signed on as exec producers after the movie was done. The actual producers who put up the cash were Sarah Siegel-Magness and her husband Gary Magness:
http://blogs.indiewire.com/thompsononhollywood/2009/09/13/tiff_precious_producers_want_credit/
11-12-2009 @ 12:53AM
cablebfg said...
I can't comment on the film nor the book, but alot of this WILL be taken out of context. The masses, whether just plain stupid or ignorant, won't always "get" films like this, and have a habit of twisting it.
I have never seen as much racism as I have since Obama took over as commander and chief, and it is pretty distressing that something as simple as the color of skin can largely define a person in many people's eyes.
We will see what people think of the film, but it seems you don't feel the movie is nearly as good (let's define that loosely as impactful instead of a joy to read or watch) as the book.
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11-12-2009 @ 1:04AM
Jenni Miller said...
I have not actually read the book, just excerpts, which I wish I had before I'd seen the movie. But even immediately after seeing the movie I felt that there were some poor editing decisions or else problems with the adaptation itself, and my movie-going friend agreed. Latoya Peterson's post on reading the book and then seeing the movie clarified my feelings on what was "missing" from the movie, which were just sort of hunches before.
I still think it is a movie that deserves to be seen and has many very powerful performances. And I hope it engenders discussion afterwards. I can't imagine it wouldn't.
11-12-2009 @ 1:19AM
cablebfg said...
I think there will be a wave of discussions after the film as well. I look forward to reading the book first and then seeing the movie. I am bound to feel impacted by the material it deals with alone, let alone the acting that I keep hearing about.
11-12-2009 @ 1:20AM
cablebfg said...
And Jenni, did I mention, great article? I am a stats fiend, and you gave me all I wanted and more at the beginning.
11-12-2009 @ 1:24AM
Jenni Miller said...
Thank you!! I wish I had access to more current Nielsen ratings, but I don't think mere mortals can access them without a membership.
11-12-2009 @ 1:47AM
cablebfg said...
yea, Nielsen likes getting paid for their work even though it could really help articles like these. Surprised Cine or one of the owners isn't subscribed and have the whole staff use it.
11-12-2009 @ 1:03AM
Greg said...
I saw the movie last week and I think I am the only person who hated it, it just wasn't very good. The acting, the direction, the editing was all bad. I'm glad it was an advanced free screening and I didn't waste my money.
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11-12-2009 @ 6:58AM
russ said...
Saw Precious and A Serious Man.
I thought they were both very powerful, but two very different movies. Where A Serious Man is understated, and about quiet desperation in a world where most all emotion is buried under calm and the glaze of quiet suburbia, Precious is about a young woman who is so past desperation that she's almost a zombie, literally living in hell.
Precious is a very difficult story to tell, and I think Daniels did a pretty good job. Are there some minor issues with editing and storytelling? Yes, but most films have things that we all don;t agree with.
As for touching on the issue that Precious imagines herself in her fantasies about being a white girl, that one scene when she stares at herself in the mirror is to me, the biggest heartbreaking scene in the movie. That scene was all you needed to get that thought across.
Mo-nique as Precious' mother gives a real powerhouse performance.
As for the foolish people judging this because Oprah of Tyler Perry are behind it, like the previous poster said, they signed on to promote it after the movie was completely finished and they saw it.
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11-12-2009 @ 9:13AM
Tony le Stephanois said...
Please stick to movies and not their political impact or underpinninngs. I appreciate that you put a lot of effort into writing a thoughtful and well-written article, but I like my Cinematical politically void. I would hit up a political site if that was what I was after. Thanks for your consideration.
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11-12-2009 @ 11:16AM
Ethan said...
What on earth was political about this article? Implying that racism is bad? Or implying that some people won't get the movie? I'm honestly confused.
11-12-2009 @ 12:17PM
cablebfg said...
The only political statements made were about Obama, and he is already elected. I don't see what the issue is. "You mentioned Obama!" = political I guess. Nevermind that he has brought out many racial tensions which this film revolves around and is mentioned directly by the writer.
11-28-2009 @ 1:29AM
Eric S. said...
If the comments aligned with your political beliefs, would you make the same complaint?
Nothing is really political, points of view just diverge on things so key that they find their way into politics. And no one can completely hide a point of view, especially when discussing things as personal as movies.
11-12-2009 @ 9:40AM
NP said...
"physically (and, in the book, sexually) abused by her mother"
It's pretty strongly implied in the film as well.
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11-12-2009 @ 9:45AM
NP said...
I think Sapphire is exactly right in what she says in the interview quoted above. It's about digging behind the stereotype or as she puts it "cracking it open." I don't think the film is as successful at doing this as the novel, but I think the backlash against this film by some critics (many saying it plays to stereotype) is inaccurate.
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11-12-2009 @ 10:14AM
ML said...
Thanks for the article. I'm not sure that I'll be able to get up the gumption to see Precious, but you certainly seem to be right about not only racism but, as far as I can tell, just about all forms of discrimination. Just yesterday when an anti-discrimination ordinance passed in Salt Lake City, there were those who apparently felt quite comfortable defending their "right" to discriminate (in this case against gay/lesbian/transgender). Why not defend the family by strengthening yours? At this time and place, it greatly saddens me.
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11-12-2009 @ 12:49PM
Christian M. Howell said...
This is the most depressing thing I've ever heard of. I can see a movie that "touches on" self-hate and poverty but two children by the father, illiterate, obese.
The mother and father taking turns basically. I would only see it if they get tortured and killed. This type of movie really asks us all to feel sorry for people.
In the age of Obama I can't do it. I do hate that everything I said about closet "placists" came true but a movie like this won't find its place in my library.
Nothing positive can come out of a movie with two children with birth defects born to a 13 year old. besides, how does this person get pregnant twice without the institutions becoming involved?
She is never seen with a "boyfriend." Well, I haven't seen it but...
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11-12-2009 @ 1:47PM
Kerry said...
Good article. I'm curious about what discussions will arise from this film. If it gets a lot of attention during the upcoming awards season, I think that a more diverse group will see it than expected. There are many people out there that have to be "in the know" when anything gets major media attention.
I haven't decided yet if I will see Precious in the theater. It seems like a harrowing film experience and in the past few years, I've grown weary of watching harrowing or desolate films. I'd rather spend two hours in a movie theater laughing instead of crying.
On the other hand, I do want films like this to continue to get made. Films that aren't easy, that broker discussion, and a force us to look deeper at ourselves are necessary and important. It deserves my support.
Well I think I just made my decision. Thanks!
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