Cinematical Seven: Movies That Start Fights
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I've been meaning to purchase and wear this t-shirt since I learned of its existence a couple of months ago, but I figured I'd better let the Twilight: New Moon hysteria die down first. It would appear, after all, that openly declaring one's hostility toward the Twilight franchise on one's person, even with a statement as unquestionably correct as "Vampires Don't Sparkle," is just asking for trouble. You do not want to mess with a gaggle of rabid Robert Pattinson fans.
I do not hate the Twilight franchise, actually, though I would like to suggest that the Twilighteers may live to regret sinking so much time and emotion into something so utterly banal. But I seem to be one of the few who occupy the middle ground. Twilight might be the most divisive love-it-or-hate-it phenomenon of the last few years. Not everyone adores Harry Potter, but most people have at least a grudging respect for it; Twilight has as many haters as fawning admirers.
You gotta admit that if you can use a movie to start an argument, it's at least good for something. Here are seven other movies that seem to disproportionately divide the moviegoing population into adoring fans and angry detractors.
1. Titanic - To get the obvious out of the way. It's amazing to me how often people make offhand derisive mentions of Titanic, as if its awfulness were well-established and self-evident. As with Twilight, of course, the surprisingly widespread disdain of this movie is a backlash against its army of obsessive partisans (and from a similar demographic to boot) -- the folks who showed up on local news shows in 1997 bragging about having seen it 16 times in the theater, etc. The fact that Titanic is a fantastic film -- and not really (or at least not only) for the reasons many of its fans think -- tends to get lost in the shuffle, sadly.

2. Event Horizon - This may seem an odd choice, but Event Horizon is one of the very few films I have repeatedly seen pop up in some folks' best-of-all-time (or best-horror-of-all-time) lists and other folks' worst-of-all-time lists. Why this spacebound chiller inspires such divergent reactions I'm not sure, though I think people respond differently to the movie veering sharply away from science-fiction and toward horror in the third act.

3. The Blair Witch Project - This one is simple: if you were told this was the "scariest movie of all time," you probably came away disappointed, if not pissed off. The movie's scary in the sense that mounting frustration and desperation can be scary; it's mostly psychological. (Oh, and I've always thought the ending was frightening in the good old-fashioned way folks were hoping for.) The Blair Witch Project was cursed by high expectations; reading some more recent reactions to the (in fairness, much scarier) Paranormal Activity makes me think it's ultimately headed for a similar fate.

4. Natural Born Killers - Some people see a scathing indictment of a sensationalist media that makes celebrities out of criminals. Others -- including me, I fear -- see a grotesque freak show. That may have been the point (the nightly news is also a grotesque freak show, you might say), but I can't get past the fact that the movie is unpleasant and repulsive to the point of being nearly unwatchable. Oliver Stone fans beg to differ.

5. Transformers and Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen - I don't know how many people out there adore Michael Bay's Transformers flicks, but this is definitely one franchise that shoves a wedge between cinephiles and everyone else, as evidenced by the astronomical returns and universal critical pans for the second film. People who see ten movies a year tend to dig the battling robot showcase, and can get pretty upset if you express that Revenge of the Fallen is one of the worst things you've ever seen.

6. The Matrix Reloaded - The Matrix and The Matrix Revolutions are pretty non-controversial -- a few dissenters notwithstanding, the former is pretty universally liked, and the latter disliked. The middle installment is more problematic. Technically dazzling and conceptually intriguing (I still love the Architect scene) but ultimately unsatisfying (especially since the third film didn't follow through on virtually anything the second one suggested), Reloaded now seems to earn equal parts mockery and admiration.

7. Dogville - You would think that Antichrist would be a better Lars von Trier movie to put on this list, but it's funny: Antichrist certainly has its supporters and detractors, but even those who admire it acknowledge that it's essentially a sick joke. Not so much Dogville, which is loved and despised with equal seriousness. It's certainly confounding.










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11-19-2009 @ 10:24PM
EatingPie said...
The Matrix was as much cultural as Twilight, and I am surprised you missed that. It became something of an Internet "meme" to cry "Matrix: Reloaded sucked!" I even saw one site whose forums had a sticky at the top "No more Matrix threads." It was just all the cool kids hating the Matrix.
I very much enjoyed the final two installments, as they did exactly what needed to be done: took us to Zion, and fought the war outside.
Transformers II certainly made tons of money, but it's pretty much universally reviled. Ask five people you know if they liked it, and dollars to donuts you'll get "it sucked" type responses on five out of five. I've never experienced a phenomenon quite like it: a movie that made massive amounts of money because tons of people saw it, but it's virtually impossible to find someone who actually thought it was a decent movie!
I liked the movie when I saw it, but I had rock bottom expectations (and Bay even went BELOW those at times!). BTW, the Blu-ray is absolutely OUTSTANDING, one of the best out there in terms of Audio/Video quality. I recommend it even to people who didn't like the movie.
-Pie
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11-20-2009 @ 3:42PM
Mike said...
Remember the Spice Girls album that sold a zillion copies but nobody you know bought it? Same thing with "Twilight" and the 2nd Transformers. Obviously somebody, somewhere bought one hell of a lot of CD's and movie tickets!
11-23-2009 @ 3:37PM
Eric H said...
You can find someone who dislikes Transformers and they are in person and not on the internet? Only me and a few of my friends are the only people I know that disliked the film, it "Uber fuckin aweseom" to every other person I talk to, though i do live in Georgia.
11-19-2009 @ 10:32PM
jeff said...
You used an image of the videogame for Transformers. I take it you were not a fan since you didn not notice.
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11-19-2009 @ 10:33PM
kef said...
You used an image of the Tansformers video game instead of the movie. I take it, since you didnt notice, that you are not a fan.
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11-19-2009 @ 10:50PM
Paul said...
I saw Titanic the night it opened in what was then the biggest screen in Scotland, and I don't think I've had the same sort of communal film experience either before or since. The utter silence at many key moments was stunning. I went back to see it three more times during the following weeks, and I'm definitely not in the perceived key demographic.
I think it's an overwhelming film - not subtle, but then Cameron doesn't do subtle. The most common criticisms I've heard about it - among family and friends, none of whom much agreed with me - are the bizarrely irrelevant one that "we know how it ends", and that the "screenplay is terrible".
With respect to the first criticism, it would seem to deny the possibility of enjoying *any* film after the first viewing, since "we know how it ends". But it also just completely misunderstands what drama is. That we know something is going to happen doesn't negate its dramatic impact; knowing something bad is going to happen, with terrible consequences, is what tragedy is all about. What's the line from Educating Rita? - The difference between the tragic and tragedy is inevitability.
The second criticism seems to me to misunderstand what a screenplay is. It imagines that screenplay = dialogue, and not much else. I'm not sure anyone would argue that Cameron's dialogue is poetic, but it's entirely functional and gets the job done nicely. What he's great at is *structure*, and that's the major part of what a screenplay *is*. Titanic's structure is exemplary.
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11-20-2009 @ 8:40AM
Kevin said...
Valid points. In response let me just say then that the dialogue sucks. Structurally its fine, but in a drama you need to not roll your eyes everytime someone opens their mouths. When Cameron does action its less noticable because you're not going to the movie to hear people talk. In a drama it is a problem that is far less avoidable, and I cannot get engrossed in a movie or care about characters who say such ridiculous things.
11-20-2009 @ 11:39AM
Felicia said...
Respectfully, I have to disagree with Kevin. Some of the dialogue in Titanic left a lot to be desired, sure, but I don't think all of it "sucked". And despite that, it was a beautiful movie despite some of its flaws that even a fervent Titanic lover like myself can recognize.
I also have to disagree that in an action movie bad dialogue is unimportant. I love the first Matrix but I've never heard anyone mention how horrible and clunky is the line where Trinity expresses her love to a "dead" Neo. God, that is a bad line! It almost ruins the whole movie for me.
Thanks, Eugene, for writing an article about the lack of impartial opinions out there. I think most people who are indifferent don't post on websites but most movie websites are filled with people who despise Twilight and its fans and so I have found myself its unlikely defender just because the hate seems so extreme and I kind of liked it. I know the love is just as strong but I don't go to Twilight fan websites and the fans don't seem to come to movie websites so all I see is this wave of contempt which I can't help but imagine is just people jumping on the hate bandwagon.
11-20-2009 @ 4:17PM
Kevin said...
Just wanted to clarify that I didn't say "unimportant". I said "less noticeable". Two totally different things. And Felicia you kind of proved my point. That bit of dialogue is a little clunky and awkward, but you've also never heard anyone else talk about it. It seems that anytime people talk about titanic they talk about how bad and distracting the dialogue is, so I stand by the argument that an action movie can get away with awkward spoken parts that would "sink" a dramatic movie, but only to a certain extent.
11-19-2009 @ 10:57PM
Wexler said...
Not a bad list. Still, considering your love of all things Dan Brown I was expecting The Da Vinci Code to make it on here.
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11-19-2009 @ 11:06PM
Luke said...
I watched Dogville with my girlfriend, who is usually resistant to such "artsy" movies, and she loved it. She doesn't often respond so well to any of the more difficult films I bring home, but in this case I think Dogville is simply an excellent film that is presented in a manner that may be distancing to some (in part due to its unique set design.)
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11-20-2009 @ 1:35AM
Midnight13 said...
How about "The Passion of the Christ"? I myself have never seen this movie. Yet those who have seen and find it "powerful" see something in it. My brother did see it. You know what he said about it? Yeah it was good, if you enjoy watching snuff movies. What is so powerful about seeing an actor portraying Jesus as he's being beaten and crucified? Some Christian groups love to denounce violence in films. POTC could be one of the most graphically violent films ever made.
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11-20-2009 @ 1:54AM
Paolo said...
I didn't know Dogville was that divisive. Only a few of my friends have seen Dogville and they're cinephiles so we don't debate about that movie that much. I told one them that I drank after watching Dogville, and he said that sounds about right. I adore Dogville and it's the reason why I respect Nicole Kidman.
If ANYONE. Talks shit about Dogville. I will cut them. Cut. Them.
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11-20-2009 @ 4:56AM
Reedo said...
Geez, that T-shirt reminds me of the "I Killed Laura Palmer" T-shirts from back in the heyday of "Twin Peaks" (though "Twin Peaks" absolutely did not suck in any way, shape, or form). Still, I dunno, there seems to be a difference between hating on the "Twilight" franchise and broadcasting that disdain so blatantly. I say just let it be: the fad will pass in a couple of years, and we can look forward to the next big craze (for better or for worse).
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11-20-2009 @ 7:44AM
BloodwerK said...
Looks to me like vampires DO sparkle. Not to mention make a hell of a lot of money in the process :P
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11-20-2009 @ 7:49AM
Devon said...
I'm surprised Forest Gump didn't make your list!
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11-23-2009 @ 9:20AM
mdk said...
Funniest Titanic summarization ever:
"I saw Titanic last night. So that old lady was just a big liar, right?"
- George Costanza on Seinfeld
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11-20-2009 @ 1:13PM
Dee said...
One film that always seems to spark arguments wherever I go is Moulin Rouge. No, really, I've seen really intense arguments about it, and participated in a couple.
FYI, Titanic is NOT a fine film. It's a film with great effects, and little else. Also, I didn't jump on the backlash bandwagon when it became all cool to hate Titanic; I hated it from the get-go. It's vacuous. I can understand why the masses love Transformers, and even though I don't like it, it doesn't offend me on the level that Titanic does, since it hasn't been allowed into the Party of Good Cinema, the way Titanic has.
PS Love Natural Born Killers, hate the last two Matrix films.
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11-20-2009 @ 1:39PM
greatone said...
Love the list. The only movie I would add to the list is the Dark Knight. Some people love the movie and think it is the greatest movie of all-time while other people hate the movie with a passion because they feel it was overhyped.
I also think Twilight should probably be number 1 on the list because I have never seen more rabid fans than them. I never heard about anyone getting to a physical altercation over the Titanic but I can't say the same about Twilight.
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